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PostPosted: 16:44 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Welsh mobile speed camera van with a civilian operator... Reply with quote

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What are the legalities of this?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

God knows as its welsh but they guy the behind must have strong beliefs about it as hes asking for trouble lol
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Civilian police staff have been operating cameras in Haggis land for yonks.

Legal.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris the spider wrote:
Civilian police staff have been operating cameras in Haggis land for yonks.

Legal.

legal or unchallenged in the courts?
not the same thing
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wristjob wrote:
Boris the spider wrote:
Civilian police staff have been operating cameras in Haggis land for yonks.

Legal.

legal or unchallenged in the courts?
not the same thing


Legal.

As far as I know, from lawyers I see each day at court.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris the spider wrote:


Legal.

As far as I know, from lawyers I see each day at court.


Oh, so its just immoral then? good to know.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Boris the spider wrote:


Legal.

As far as I know, from lawyers I see each day at court.


Oh, so its just immoral then? good to know.


What is immoral about it ?

Don't understand why it is immoral for a police civilian employee to be doing that job ..

All traffic camera enforcement up here is dealt with civilian employees.

Takes cops out the equation and puts them back to a cops job as far as I'm concerned.

If you get caught over the limit by a static machine , emptied and processed by a civilian police employee .

Or caught by a scamera van , occupied and operated by the same staff .

Does it really matter a fuck ?

Answer on a postcard to the nearest cop shop.....
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Oh, so its just immoral then? good to know.


Not sure about that... surely excessive speeding in speed restricted areas is "immoral" in itself? The fact they do it in a brightly coloured van that only idiots would miss, well, the people that get caught only have themselves to blame. I really wish they deployed them a lot more here in Belgium.... this country has far fewer traffic police and speed cameras and the standard of driving is bloody atrocious. They have no concept of keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in front and speed where possible through towns. I've never seen a static camera in a 30mph area. Mad
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Made me laugh when the guy in the van asked him to state the law then - er, wait a minute, ummm....

By his own admission he knows fuck all about the law - got bored with him asking the same question over and over. I would have thought if you're going to do something like this, you'd do a bit of research first so at least you've got some kind of argument. Think I preferred the folks who put burning tyres around static cameras tbh.

I should think he didn't want to be filmed cos there is crazy folkses out there who might do crazy things if they see him around, innit.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the equipment that's gathering the evidence. If it's Home Office approved, they could have a chimp pushing the button in the morning.

The issue of demanding to confront your accuser and being told that here he is...

https://www.ohmz.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/835831228_7e2bc6a2071.jpg

... is long played out. Time to get over it and fight the battles that can be won.

Maltkiln there is on a hiding to nothing, although I'm sure his Freementalist chums will be tugging themselves dry over his performance. Can't fault his tenacity, although there's no need to be so grumpy about it.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:
Oh, so its just immoral then? good to know.


Not sure about that... surely excessive speeding in speed restricted areas is "immoral" in itself?


Immorality and illegality are far from synonymous.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's the equipment that's gathering the evidence. If it's Home Office approved, they could have a chimp pushing the button in the morning.



aye, it would be possible to have an automated camera sat in the van that detects speed and captures the information required same as static cameras.

Provided the operator is qualified and competent and has undergone the same training then the evidence presented is the same.

I guess the question would be if the evidence can be classed as admittable in court or if it has to have been gathered by a police officer.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evidence up her is corroborated by another source.
Be it a Cop or civilian.

I had to phone in today, as a civilian. To report a twat in a scoob driving like a complete dick
Lo and behold... The car behind me was an off duty piggy and phoned it in as well.....

Took ages, got through. As soon as I was connected to an operator.

They knew who I was ...

My home and mobile are on the system.

As is anyone who has given their details as a witness / accused / detainee / driver/ passenger in a vehicle involved in a RTC .

Or any other RECORDABLE incident that is notable on systems.

Bet Joe Public didnae ken that eh ?

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PostPosted: 19:49 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

the question is not weather a civilian can work in a camera van.
but if you obstruct that civilian are you guilty of an offence ?
its been through the courts that if you get in the way of a constable or alert other road users to a speed trap you are obstructing an officer etc.
so in a van badged up as police should there not be a police person there?
now if the van has no police markings but clearly states its an anpr speed check van with a machine doing the dirty work and a chimp to move the van can you bark your truck infront of them?
what about the cop in the door thing?
could he close his door and break her ankle as she is on his property and has been told to leave and could in the idiotic law we have be "causing distress"when he isnt suspected of commiting any crime.
theres a lot to go at here.
im a believer that there should be police out there doing visible police stuff ,however there should be no room for the strong arm tactics from some forces.
lets say doing road blocks an stopping only motorcylists,or this week black people,or people who look muslim.
did you see the group that will get targeted without blood in the streets?
ok i know its gone a bit teff but hey ho Smile
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

all new zealand speed cameras are operated by civilians/police subcontractors, we have no fixed cameras though, so everytime you see a van on the side of the road, you firebomb it, just as a precaution Wink
or slow down.. what ever works for you
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris the spider wrote:

I had to phone in today, as a civilian. To report a twat in a scoob driving like a complete dick

Perchance, did the police database show said Subaru driver previously report a "biker filtering through traffic 'dangerously'"? Razz

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PostPosted: 20:18 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="G"]
Boris the spider wrote:

I had to phone in today, as a civilian. To report a twat in a scoob driving like a complete dick

Perchance, did the police database show said Subaru driver previously report a "biker filtering through traffic 'dangerously'"? Razz

Wink[/q

Naw , get tae.

This twat was wayyyy past shaking head mode .

I do not phone in unless it really bad .

And this dude was really bad
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 16 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where the fuck were you when I was standing on the central reservation, shitting myself? Could have done with a copper there....
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, just another person that loves the sound of their own voice. Why rage? It isn't going to change anything and he also makes himself sound like an idiot. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 06:18 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw this doing the rounds on Facebook. IMO, the guy is a complete cock.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a dick that guy is who filmed the footage. I don't see what he is trying to achieve. Quite a few 'police' vehicles are driven by civilian staff - such as Scenes of Crime people, Vehicle Examiners etc...
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris the spider wrote:

What is immoral about it ?

Don't understand why it is immoral for a police civilian employee to be doing that job ..

All traffic camera enforcement up here is dealt with civilian employees.

Takes cops out the equation and puts them back to a cops job as far as I'm concerned.

If you get caught over the limit by a static machine , emptied and processed by a civilian police employee .

Or caught by a scamera van , occupied and operated by the same staff .

Does it really matter a fuck ?

Answer on a postcard to the nearest cop shop.....
Rolling Eyes


We're mean't to put our trust in Police Officers, not some dozy cunt they grabbed off the street, same reason nobody has trust in those PCSOs (nor should they).

The guy was clearly a nobhead, but I can see where his anger stemmed from.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We're mean't to put our trust in Police Officers, not some dozy cunt they grabbed off the street, same reason nobody has trust in those PCSOs (nor should they).

MattEMulsion wrote:
Quite a few 'police' vehicles are driven by civilian staff - such as Scenes of Crime people, Vehicle Examiners etc...

I was going to comment something about how they're not trying to get us a fine and so on, but actually the people in matt's example may well be too.

I was amused at blokey in the van hiding behind his jacket - video worth doing for that, I reckon. At least he knows other people consider what he's doing immoral.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 17 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting so bored of these sad bastards who have nothing better to do.

I couldn't care less of it was a civilian dressed as a Tellytubby or a Plod starkers. This sort of thing Reminds me of the Retards who claim Fixed Speed Camera's are just money making machines.
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