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PostPosted: 14:33 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Teach a dummy to make a naked bike. Reply with quote

My diversion is cosmetically pretty buggered up from my crash back in November. It's limped this far, but sometime in the last few days the second of four headlight mounts has given up, meaning the headlight now bounces around like buggery. Added to that the fairing is a complete state, the front fairing frame is bent out of shape, the clocks mounting is broken and the clocks surround is broken.

Some pictures of the damage below:

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0051_zpsp3cmutfk.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0052_zpsiz6dfvz8.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0053_zps3xx6fmo5.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0054_zpsckkstojs.jpg

How it should be:
https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0055_zpspgzvl2mj.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0056_zpsj6beeg6q.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0057_zpslz1gz9du.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0058_zpsm8zj7akb.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/DSC_0059_zpsnohkh8bm.jpg

So, basically everything forward of the handlebars is damaged in some way. I'd ideally fix it back up to how it was before the crash, but we're talking a minimum of £250 of spare parts in anything resembling decent condition, which I really don't have the cash for, even if I could find everything I need.

The obvious second option is to remove the fairing and pop a round headlight on there? Bandit N style:

https://www.bikez.com/pictures/suzuki/2004/21221_0_1_2_bandit%201200%20n_Image%20credits%20-%20Suzuki.jpg

I wouldn't even know where to begin though. How do I do clocks for instance? How do I mount them to the bike, and what happens with all the extra wiring? How about the old fairing mounts?

For clocks, could I take something like these and make them work? If I crimped the correct wires to each other would the rev counter just work? How about the idiot lights?

I'm just a bit stuck and struggling for options at the moment.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a couple of spare front fairings knocking around for the Div 900
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In usable condition? There are a couple on eBay but they're mostly broken.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely you mean XJ600N style?

https://www.yamaha-community.fr/sites/wiki.yamaha-motor.fr/files/images/2000%20-%20XJ600N.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mgh0 wrote:
I've got a couple of spare front fairings knocking around for the Div 900


very very different bikes.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:
Fit an LC type headlight using a set of universal ears. You don't need clocks so sod them off (fit mountain bike speedo if it bothers you) and simplify the wiring. Job jobbed.


This.

Your current flashers ought to fit to the headlight brackets.

If you've got a spare £90-100, you could fit a vapor digital dash which comprises all your idiot lights as well as your speedo, rev counter, temperature etc.

Otherwise you need a high beam repeater light, a speedo (not necessarily working for the MOT) and you need to be able to see the indicators from the seated position (or have an indicator repeater).

Might be possible to make a bracket to hold the existing clocks on. I've done that before using a bit of bent alloy plate cut to shape with holes in. I used the handlebar mounting bolts as the anchor point.

Those nose fairings with built-in headlights and flashers are shite, unless you're prepared to spunk what a good condition original fairing from the breakers would cost you.

EDIT: Replica fibreglass fairing from France for around £150. Order them through adrenaline moto in Darlington. Cut your own holes.
https://www.poly26.com/carenage-moto-tuning-yamaha-900-diversion-1995-2001_5-137.html
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:

OP has a diversion 900, note the logo in his 2nd picture.

mgh0 has diversion 900 panels.

Please do explain the problem? Wink


whoops, my derp.

carry on.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So something like these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BIKE-IT-STEALTH-BLACK-MOTORCYCLE-MOTORBIKE-HEADLIGHT-BRACKETS-41-43mm-HLBSTLD-/330903141910?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4d0b5d3e16

And this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORCYCLE-AFTERMARKET-REPLACEMENT-FRONT-HEADLIGHT-7-INCH-DIAMETER-side-mounted-/191204563923?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c84ae1bd3

Plus clocks like this, mounted through magic, or whatever I can knock up in the workshop.

Can I program my current mileage in or will they start at 0?
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Headlamp, yes but if you search for "350LC headlight" you'll find them much cheaper.

That's the round one people routinely use to enlighten a crashed, formerly faired bike. People also use twin "dominator" lights but they are shite. You can see where you're going with an LC headlight, it takes a standard H4 bulb and there's room in the back for wiring.

The brackets are fine but again, if you look about, you'll find ones with extra holes in them to mount your indicators. Unless you're fortunate enough to have a long-ish M8 bolt holding your indicators on, in which case you can bolt them through the bracket holes and into the headlight shell so the flasher stalk holds the headlight on. You'll find cheaper ones although those look reasonable quality and the rubber mounting is useful.

Looks like that vapor kit comes with clamps to attach it round the fork legs. I've never used one but a mate of mine has had one on his transalp survival bike for the last two years now. They are often used to put dirt bikes on the road. Not strictly necessary mind. I bet with a little ingenuity and bracketry, you'll find a way to fit the original clocks, or submit pictures of them with the fairing removed for the comittee to help.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

While you are at it, remove all the exhaust air cleaning parafinailia from each the side of the tank. You will have to block the pipes into the cylinder head as they go straight into the exhaust ports.
I used a bandit fairing on mine for a while, few brackets to make but it fits, looks fine and lets you keep your clocks.
Drop the forks an inch and fit Exup !000 calipers. You are starting to get a surprisingly nimble machine that stops on a dime.
Junk the OE exhaust system and fit something like a Delkavik 4-! with a light can, you now have something that is actually light enough to start chucking around.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently has hagon front and rear suspension, blue spot front callipers and matching master, delkavic mid section and end cans. I had lots of plans before it was crashed but it's all been put on hold for the foreseeable future.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Winter is coming", as all the oft-circulated GoT pictures will suggests.

So, I say keep the fairing and acquire some of this (it's just decent gaffa tape, nothing too fancy bar the price.)
https://store.aihalaska.com/images/aih/gor60035.jpg
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is easily repaired. First step take it all off.

Epoxy the cracked fairings from the inside,or plastic weld them with soldering iron, it will be almost invisible, which is improved further by some touchup paint.

Right fairing, do you have the missing mouting lug? if not buy some ABS sheet from ebay, glue a bit from the inside, drill and touch up with red paint.

Headlight mountings, glue or plastic weld, done.

Engine bars, brush some black hammerite and noone will notice Laughing




The bike looks old (very, older than me perhaps? Laughing ) so not much point spending lots of money if you prefer it standard. Converting it to a naked, or the suggested fibreglass fairing would both take a shitting ton of effort - much better to repair what you got.
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PostPosted: 02:30 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll plastech that together for £60 inc. at yours, prob take 3 visits. I primer, you sort finish.

edit; handy if you still have that RH mounting lug...
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a go with gaffa already but there isn't a decent way of sticking it in place.

I'm considering drilling through the front of the fairing and knocking up a metal bracket to bolt in place, having thought about it I'd rather keep the fairing if possible.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the suggested repairs above is that because the frame is bent out of shape the fairing wont be in the correct place to mount, so even with a repaired fairing I'll still need to replace the frame work underneath. If you look at the top down picture you can see there is an inch gap on one side of the tank, and no gap at all on the other.

Despite all the cracks and breaks the fairing is still pretty secure so I'm not fussed about that side of things so long as I can get the headlight secure, cosmetics are the bottom of my list. I think the drilling through the front and making some brackets to hold the headlight is currently the top option. A dome nut either side of the headlight wont look too shabby.

I actually quite like the divvy for what it is, it makes a decent commuter, if a little thirsty. Took me across Europe without a hiccup. Hauled two people and two peoples camping gear to Wales and back. Rides surprisingly nicely in the twisties, and sounds really really nice (In a way that only a chunky 8 valve air cooled motor can).

It's annoying it has become such a shed of a bike really, it had decent potential when I got it, I thought it would be the bike to break my bike killing spree!
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I'm considering drilling through the front of the fairing and knocking up a metal bracket to bolt in place, having thought about it I'd rather keep the fairing if possible.

That, or cable ties Razz.

Suspect brackets will be a lot less hassle (don't need to mess with finding somewhere for all the wires to go, mounting clocks, etc).
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front subframe CAN be replaced. One on ebay for £50

I like using plates and pop rivetts to repair fiarings. Drill a hole at the point of the crack to prevent it spreading, make a paper template for a plate to cover the whole crack. Shape your plate (thin alloy is probably best, I used thick copper because I had a load of scrap.

For aesthetics, glue the plate on the back and fire the pop rivetts through from the front, you can paint the heads to match the bike.

What I did was rivett them onto the front which gave a funky "armour plated" effect. The fairing in this picture was pretty much a jigsaw.
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/gpz/gpzright.jpg

Also, what I did with the VFR was to attach the headlight to the subframe rather than the fairing. The manufacturers seem to have an odd notion that the best way to fit a headlight is to attach it to the inside of the fairing with four plastic lugs. In any crash, the decelleration of the heavy headlight just snaps them off and breaks the fairing. Attach the light to the steel subframe and you are massively reducing the load the fairing has to take. Also makes it very simple to fit and remove the fairing.

Again. Aluminium, glue and pop-rivetts and a little lateral thinking involved, the actual lugs on this light are long gone. The hole where the strut attaches to the subframe could be slotted for angle adjustment but the internal mechanism was working on this lamp making it unecessary.

I should point out this light also engages with a lug on the subframe at the bottom. If it didn't, I'd have needed another strut on each side for triangulation.

https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/VFR/1CIMG1047_zps32e2e119.jpg
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/VFR/1CIMG1048_zpscb44927c.jpg
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