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un0riginal
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Don't just love old people :) Reply with quote

So I was innocently heading in to work this morning. Me on my 125 and a proper bike was a few cars behind. Easy left coming up with nice clear view. Cars were slowing down so I drifted around the outside of them and continued on.

Few miles further up the road, proper bike catches up so I move to the inside giving him plenty of room to get around. Still maintained 60 (being the top speed my bike will do Razz) Passenger waves as they cruise past but then the rider starts shaking his head and the passenger starts pointing to their helmet repeatedly (I am going for insinuated nut-job here). I initially assumed I had done something wrong in moving over so they could get past easily. As I was watching them go up the road he started overtaking a row of cars coming to another left bend with lower visibility and had to cut in with a car coming the other way and the front car had to slow down to let them get past.

Managed to catch up to them at some lights, so pulled up and asked what I had done wrong... "You went over the white line when you were overtaking. Very dangerous and stupid"

So I overtake when I can clearly see the road ahead is clear with no oncoming traffic, you overtake when you cannot see cars coming the other way and nearly cause an accident .. and I'm the dangerous, stupid driver!

Thanks. Good chatting with you.

/rant over Razz
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a video?
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish. Not figured out a cheap enough set-up yet that will allow me to record all the time.

Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's rare that a solid white lined area has lower visibility than a broken lined area, but let's assume that's true (until you post the streetview). But, let's assume it is one of those times - it's still daft... Drawing attention to yourself whilst on a 125 is an easy way to end up spending 30mins at the side of the road whilst all your details are gone over...
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
It's rare that a solid white lined area has lower visibility than a broken lined area

I (Where is strike tags when you need them) didn't cross /may have slightly crossed over a solid white line, I guess this is why I was even more bemused at his outburst.
daemonoid wrote:
(until you post the streetview)

What I have to provide evidence now when ranting? It really isn't worth that much effort but I do take your point about attention.

I have only ever been pulled once, and that was because I didn't have L plates on my 125 nearly two years after passing my test Smile Sorry I don't have a video of that one either .. and no streetview cars were around to capture Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 14:52 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

un0riginal wrote:
What I have to provide evidence now when ranting?

You're not new here, you should know how this works. Razz

So, is your position that you overtook on a solid white section but didn't cross the solid line; or that there was no solid white line (on your side) at all?

I'd venture that if it was the former case then it was indeed dangerous to overtake without using the RHS of the road. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

You're not new here, you should know how this works. Razz

Laughing fine fine.
Rogerborg wrote:

So, is your position that you overtook on a solid white section but didn't cross the solid line; or that there was no solid white line (on your side) at all?

I'd venture that if it was the former case then it was indeed dangerous to overtake without using the RHS of the road. Wink

I overtook after the solid white section, the road effectively becomes 3 lanes as there is a filter lane to the right which runs into another filter lane for oncoming traffic to go right (to them).

**edit** Actually thinking back I could have been on/just over line whilst coming up to filter .. but didn't start overtaking till within filter and clear nobody was going to turn.

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/a63-overtake.jpg

Once I was satisfied there were no signs of people actually turning right I moved into the far right of this filter lane (just in case). And proceeded to overtake the line of traffic (no cars at either junction, no oncoming traffic). Pulled back in slightly after other filter lane.

This is where he was overtaking .. hedge blocks visibility of cars further up the bend.

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/a19-overtake.jpg

The lead car he was overtaking had to brake and moved over to inside of lane. Oncoming car moved over to their inside.

Enjoy the pics Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one of these once,

I can't remember what did now it was ages ago but I remember what the guy said...

"DO YOU HAVE A DEATH WISH?"
"No."
"WHY DID YOU *Insert what I did* THEN?"
"Because I could do it without dying."
*Silence*

Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
It's rare that a solid white lined area has lower visibility than a broken lined area, but let's assume that's true (until you post the streetview).


Is that really what you meant to say?
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

un0riginal wrote:

I (Where is strike tags when you need them) didn't cross /may have slightly crossed over a solid white line, I guess this is why I was even more bemused at his outburst.


Highway Code:

Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid.

This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

un0riginal wrote:
but didn't start overtaking till within filter and clear nobody was going to turn.


So that point would be when the filter area ends then...... As anyone could decide at the last point to turn into the filter area..

Filter area is for turning only, not overtaking. Get caught out and its your fault.... In control of the bike or not Laughing

Yes plenty of people do it. But I have seem drivers decide to turn into the filter just for the hell of it to block someone doing what you did.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

un0riginal wrote:
Where is strike tags when you need them

Dem is here, blud.

I'd assume that Waggy McFinger is just a Roadcrufter wannabe copper with a defective big end. It'll stop when you get off the tiddler.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Don't just love old people :) Reply with quote

un0riginal wrote:
Me on my 125 and a proper bike was a few cars behind...


A 125 is a proper bike, just a smaller one.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So that's a moped, not A Proper Bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look its obvious
If I'm ridin me old cx down a road singing
"stayin alive staying alive....."
any person on a newer faster or bigger engined bike
has to be a better, wiser, rider than me
And probably person too,
especially if they're wearing a sam browne or hi viz

I know my place.

You got off lightly though.
The rider could been on a KTM and violated you.
There's a lot of that goes on y'know
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Dem is here, blud.


Hahaha, cheers.

mpd72 wrote:
It was a fairly stupid place to overtake to be honest. The solid white lines are to stop people overtaking there as there's a right hand filter approaching.

You should never overtake when there's a possibility that a car could turn right. No matter how you try to justify this, you can never be certain that none of the cars you're overtaking will suddenly pull into the filter lane without looking in their mirrors.


I didn't overtake till I was confident that it was 'safe' to do so. I did so in a 'safe' and controlled manner AFTER the white lines. I was anticipating any of them moving over with no warning/signalling. I was far enough out that I could have just continued around them in the other lane, or throttled back and dropped into the flow of traffic.

mpd72 wrote:
Carry on riding like that and Darwain theory will prevail. Where he overtook was legal, where you did wasn't,


Where he overtook was downright dangerous and he nearly caused an accident. Just because there isn't a solid line does not mean it is safe. He overtook a line of cars without enough room to get back in. When he eventually saw a car coming towards him he accelerated hard to get past and cut up the driver at the front just before being minced.

I am quite happy to take criticism on my riding to help me become better/safer. But if your going to give it .. you kinda need to pretend to actually be safe yourself... well at least till the other person cannot see you any more.

WD Forte wrote:
You got off lightly though.
The rider could been on a KTM and violated you.
There's a lot of that goes on y'know

Now I'm just scared Razz
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoulda told them to get fucked
I had some douche on a scooter with no l plates chase me down a road after throwing his arms in front of my bike to get me to stop (I didnt and ragged by him like the fucks with this guy)

He was like didnt you SEE THAT RED BMW? Was like probably not. (there was no honks, no problems and no agro drivers yelling at me but I was filtering)

Said "whoopdydo" or some shit to him and he rages, goes through red lights, onto the pavement over the crossing and turns around on the pavement and turns off the side road, drivers honking and shouting at him like WTF ARE YOU DOING

tldr: so called bikers are high horse moralististic bellwads sometimes
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh !
I love the smell of pompous hypocrisy in the morning

I like to catch up a 125 rider I can impart my vast nollige on.
(preferably 4'11" ish and a bit weedy looking or a wee lassie with glasses, no rough types)
then I get right up behind em revving the arse off me CX to put the shits up em
then follow closely until they invariably make a mistake.
Sometimes I'll just invent one if I want get straight to lecture/finger wagging bit

I've developed quite a repertoire by now
"Now look ere young feller me lad/lass
you're not goin to get any older riding like that"
"when I were a lad, it were all fields round here"
"Electric start? flashing Indicators? you dont know yer born!"
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All we 'ad were donkey jackets and gauntlets in them days y'know
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
"We were that poor......................."

I'm convinced that my commute is uphill both ways.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old people, hmm, prefer them to arrogant twats who think they are Gods gift to motorcycling.......


Just saying
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 21 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:


I can see a Darwain scenario coming your way.


Is that the redneck version of Darwin?
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PostPosted: 06:01 - 22 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a thread that didn't end as well as this going on PistonHeads at the moment. Same applies here:

Never, ever, overtake on a ghost island.
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