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PostPosted: 10:27 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Servicing Reply with quote

Like the majority of you I do the basics such as chain and brake maintenance.

I'm slowly creeping up to the year anniversary of getting my first big bike after passing my MOD2. I've ridden it almost every day since then and I'm conscious it will need to be put in for a service at some point.

How often do you do this (if at all) and what would a reputable garage generally do? I've got the Haynes manual so if it's a simple case of follow the schedule in there feel free to tell me in the typical BCF fashion!
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man up and service it you complete and utter twat. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Servicing Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
what would a reputable garage generally do?

Main dealer or independent?

An independent will charge you 40 pounds to dump the oil and change the filter, then refill with oil sold at a 100-200% markup.

A main dealer will do the same except at double the cost.

That's the best case scenario, IME.

You may get a piece of paper with some boxes ticked, which means that you now have a piece of paper with some boxes ticked.

I'd far rather do the work myself on a bike that I was intending to keep, and I would genuinely prefer to buy a bike that had been credibly self serviced by a competent owner.

As an alternative, if you really don't want to get mucky, you could look for an independent spanner monkey doing mobile servicing or while-you-wait homers out of his garage. That way you get to check that he's actually doing more than oil, filter, wipe down.

The reasons to pay for a stamp in the book are to maintain a warranty, and retain resale value. At 4 years old, I reckon that your tart-Bandit is already past the point where it's worthwhile financially.

You may calculate otherwise, especially if you put a price on "peace of mind". Whistle
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to stick to the service intervals that the manufacturer states in the manual.

Although, I do oil changes and chain maintenance myself and a few other small things but, nothing that could be disastrous if I get it wrong because I've no experience with mechanical things at all, so don't trust myself.

I always had services done at a Yamaha dealer because my bike was under warranty but, don't bother now that it just about finished and I know a mechanic I can trust who works from his home, who charges peanuts compared to dealerships.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Servicing Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The reasons to pay for a stamp in the book are to maintain a warranty, and retain resale value. At 4 years old, I reckon that your tart-Bandit is already past the point where it's worthwhile financially.


This.

If I were you I would buy the oil and filter, keep the receipt with all your bike paperwork and write on their the mileage of the bike at the time, also the date if the receipt doesn't have it already for some reason. That would be fine for me when buying a used bike.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the responses, opinions seem pretty unanimous.

Looks like I'll have an oily bank holiday Monday Smile
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
Cheers for the responses, opinions seem pretty unanimous.

Looks like I'll have an oily bank holiday Monday Smile


If you wish to save money, you can get a bottle of Motul oil and a filter for £25 delivered off eBay.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Probably the first "service job" that requires any mechanical knowledge worth mentioning is checking and adjusting valve clearances. I think that's usually first checked after about 30K miles. The rest is a cinch and can save you a small fortune if you DIY.
This for me - chickened out of the valve check, but otherwise the basic stuffs pretty simple with the aid of a manual/youtube/forums if and when things get confusing.

You can get PDF manuals for a lot of bikes which i've found handy to have on the phone for quick searches when i'm working on the bike.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 24 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Vincent wrote:
Probably the first "service job" that requires any mechanical knowledge worth mentioning is checking and adjusting valve clearances. I think that's usually first checked after about 30K miles. The rest is a cinch and can save you a small fortune if you DIY.
This for me - chickened out of the valve check, but otherwise the basic stuffs pretty simple with the aid of a manual/youtube/forums if and when things get confusing.

You can get PDF manuals for a lot of bikes which i've found handy to have on the phone for quick searches when i'm working on the bike.


Indeed, even a numpty like me can do it.
If you man-handle things like I do, you may need to occasionally replace stripped bolts and rounded off nuts from time to time though. Whistle
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an independent myself this is what I do the first time I see a bike

Run it until fully hot checking what to runs and sounds like check the fan cuts in

On bench on main stand or ABBA stand
Clean lubricate and adjust chain

Drop oil out and remove oil filter (removing plastics as required
Service brakes callipers off clean and re- lub
Lubricate leaver links and pivots do same for clutch

Fit new oil filter replace drain bolt new washer if required
Fill with oil

If I decided during first running valve clearances needed doing now is the time

If not check and or change plugs and air filter

run engine again

Mot type checks wheel bearing steering and rear suspension bearings light and horn work? etc

General run around with lubricants stands footrest pivots etc etc

Off stands check tyre pressures and depending a test ride

Depending on bike and condition 2 to 5+ hours @ £50 per hour
Parts at RRP
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^
Please go corporate and open a franchise near me. Thumbs Up

OT, I've just noticed that I accidentally downrated this post of yours with which I actually agree. Sorry, I'll ask for that to be revoked. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Invest 15 quid in Haynes manual and 50 quid in decent set of tools and do everything yourself. It's really not that difficult.. unless you're another Jivebunny.. but I doubt it.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it an easy job

One of the "services" we offer is to either do it while you watch or to show you how to do it OK on our bench with our pro tools to hand and with me there to hopefully stop any disasters you pay for bench time at the workshop rate

OK sounds a lot but you get to use £25k of kit Smile
and I get to drink coffee and supervise you getting oily :-0
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a thoroughly brilliant idea. Clapping
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Yes it an easy job

One of the "services" we offer is to either do it while you watch or to show you how to do it OK on our bench with our pro tools to hand and with me there to hopefully stop any disasters you pay for bench time at the workshop rate


Where about in the country are you based? As this is something that I'd be seriously interested in.

The one thing that stops me from doing a lot of things on my bike, is that I've not got a clue what I'm doing in a mechanical sense. Of course, I have looked through manuals and you tube but, without having anyone there who knows what they're talking about to check the work over, there's no way I'd be confident to do things and then ride the bike afterwards.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
What a thoroughly brilliant idea. Clapping



IIRC somebody in London had a similar idea, he even set up a workshop to do this. I don't remember precisely what happened but it stopped after a few weeks.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most genuine places have no problem with you watching the work being done and are happy to have the owner gets his/her hands dirty.

Alot of people are quite keen to dive in, but prefer to have the supervision of someone who knows how to do the job.

We have quite alot of people in that want to learn. I'm getting good at making tea! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in London SE20

OMC at the Ovel in London do it full time
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your style 'davebike'. Thumbs Up


mJZ wrote:
Invest... 50 quid in decent set of tools and do everything yourself.


£50???? What are you an octogenarian, when did you last get a decent tool or two for £50 let alone a whole set???? Confused
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
I am in London SE20

OMC at the Ovel in London do it full time

A little out of my way, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halfords are always doing socket tool set on offer. It is a decent set.

Start from small jobs like changing oil and filter. Usually one nut and spanner job. Filters should come off by hand as are mostly hand tightened. Air filter requires the tank off normally, and plugs need awkward angles and baby hands to get into small spaces. Tightening a chain is pretty simple in itself.

All these jobs will be present in a how to section as most bikes have their own dedicated forums these days. Plus there is owners manual, service manual, haynes etc.

Also, youtube is your friend. countless videos on the internet explaining how to do the small service jobs.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 25 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Probably the first "service job" that requires any mechanical knowledge worth mentioning is checking and adjusting valve clearances. I think that's usually first checked after about 30K miles. The rest is a cinch and can save you a small fortune if you DIY.


Even adjusting valve clearances is a walk in the park with so many Youtube videos. The only thing about DIY servicing is that it's time consuming and dirty, even if you know what you're doing.

I don't know how others feel, but after working 50-60 hours a week, in the weekend all I wanna do is something I enjoy, and that is not getting dirty and spending hours working on the bike. Guess it comes down to time vs money...

Free time - money = DIY
Free time + money = DIY if you don't mind the work
No free time + money = take it to a garage
No free time - money = sell it and take the bus

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PostPosted: 09:57 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:


mJZ wrote:
Invest... 50 quid in decent set of tools and do everything yourself.


£50???? What are you an octogenarian, when did you last get a decent tool or two for £50 let alone a whole set???? Confused


I got my 216 piece tool kit for £30 in clearance from Lidl, call it shite if you will but its lasted me 2 years and a fair bit of car & bike servicing in that time Thumbs Up for home servicing on bikes I'd say its more than adequate.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moxey wrote:


I got my 216 piece tool kit for £30 in clearance from Lidl, call it shite if you will but its lasted me 2 years and a fair bit of car & bike servicing in that time Thumbs Up for home servicing on bikes I'd say its more than adequate.


I have no qualms accepting that you can buy lots of tools cheaply.
It was the 'decent' part I took umbrage to. Your set is probably fine for the odd weekend use here and there and so long as none of it encounters obstinate parts it should do the job just fine and last a good long time - which, at the end of the day, is what it's meant to do!

It's the same when comparing foodstuffs. I can get a kebab cheaply, it has plenty of nutrients in it but you'd be hard pushed to call a kebab 'decent' food.
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