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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Use bike for work: claim it as a tax allowance? Reply with quote

Most of my miles are for work. I get milage from my employer. I'm wondering if I can set my bikes cost against my income tax. I'm a full time employee on PAYE.

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PostPosted: 12:08 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you get mileage to the destination or to the shop across the road?

Every little helps.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Use bike for work: claim it as a tax allowance? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Most of my miles are for work. I get milage from my employer. I'm wondering if I can set my bikes cost against my income tax. I'm a full time employee on PAYE.

Cheers.


Nope, that's why the mileage is so high - it's meant to include the cost of purchase & maintenance. Remember, your employer is taking advantage of a tax free scheme that has limits and HMRC aren't in the business of double relief, merely double taxation...
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Do you get mileage to the destination or to the shop across the road?

Every little helps.



Every milameter.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you can't claim it against your income tax. If your boss doesn't pay you the going rate then you can claim it off your tax.


A lot of shenanigans goes about in this where people claim the car rate 45p but ride a motorbike. 24p a mile.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did come across a document that explained how to claim your motorcycle against your Income Tax. I will show you the Linklater.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do your Company pay mileage? You can claim the difference between this and 24p back from the taxman.

I ride a 1999 VFR and make a loss at 24p when you include Class 1 business insurance " Commute to more than one place of work in a year Sir? That's not commuting that's Business use and will cost extra"

As Itchy said car drivers can claim 45p for the first 10,000 miles then 24p Which is realistic if you run something new enough for depreciation to have a big effect.

Maybe if MAG or the BMF had actually cared about Bikers.........
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
I did come across a document that explained how to claim your motorcycle against your Income Tax. I will show you the Linklater.


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PostPosted: 16:33 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
I did come across a document that explained how to claim your motorcycle against your Income Tax. I will show you the Linklater.


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PostPosted: 21:23 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if I created my own company? Like all those celebs and just posted loses every year and put my bike against the loses. Or somesuch.
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
What if I created my own company? Like all those celebs and just posted loses every year and put my bike against the loses. Or somesuch.


What if you just paid your way in life?
Pay what you owe, Park where you're going...
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Running a company means having clients (and may also be against your full time contract of employment), so while it might technically be possible it is unlikely to be an option. Plus the accountancy costs of running a company would probably wipe out any possible tax savings on a company bike.

As to mileage allowance, when I worked for npower they paid 5p a mile as the allowance for a motorcycle Evil or Very Mad .

All the best

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PostPosted: 01:19 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember it's only the business miles you can claim for not the commute to and from work
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know you can not claim for travel to and from your place of work or personal mileage but any mileage done for work you can claim for.

I can claim for my working days on the motorcycle as an instructor but they will not cover me for the 8 miles each way to and from work.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
As far as I know you can not claim for travel to and from your place of work or personal mileage but any mileage done for work you can claim for...

...and if using for business rather than commuting to a single place of work you really should have business insurance. Which racks up the cost and diminishes any apparent gain.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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As to mileage allowance, when I worked for npower they paid 5p a mile as the allowance for a motorcycle Evil or Very Mad .

All the best

Keith


Then you could have claimed 19p per mile back off the taxman, you still can if it's within time and you have records
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Remember it's only the business miles you can claim for not the commute to and from work


To/from your place of normal employment iirc.

If they get you to work somewhere else for a week you can claim that mileage from what HMRC told me.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

...and if using for business rather than commuting to a single place of work you really should have business insurance. Which racks up the cost and diminishes any apparent gain.


It may have changed in the last few years, but business use with ebike was only minimally more expensive than SDP when I was instructing and was one of the few business policies that specifically did cover instructing at the time.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get mileage whether I use a bike or a car, and the money I get per mile is just less that the actual cost to me (in effect I pay a little bit, not good but a given with the work)

I keep my fuel bills then submit a tax relief form, where I can claim the tax back on the difference between cost and actual to reduce that difference a little more.

I think in reality that's all you could possibly manage, even if you set up your own company, the extra costs involved in admin will far out way benefits from the fiddle, plus you could be sent to jail if caught with fraud.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:
map wrote:

...and if using for business rather than commuting to a single place of work you really should have business insurance. Which racks up the cost and diminishes any apparent gain.


It may have changed in the last few years, but business use with ebike was only minimally more expensive than SDP when I was instructing and was one of the few business policies that specifically did cover instructing at the time.


I wonder why instructing would be a problem? I'd have thought using my logical thought process that an instructor is going to be of a higher standard of rider than the average biker, and since they're instructing learner bikers then they aren't going to be riding in a way that may increase the chances of an accident.

Insurance on learner/school bikes I could understand, but on your own bike?! Then again my logical thought process doesn't usually seem to align with the insurance companies thought process.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
A lot of shenanigans goes about in this where people claim the car rate 45p but ride a motorbike. 24p a mile.


I'd love to know how they work out those rates, a bike costs half as much to run as a car, yeah really Confused , and only four pence per mile more to run than a bicycle Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
As far as I know you can not claim for travel to and from your place of work or personal mileage but any mileage done for work you can claim for...

...and if using for business rather than commuting to a single place of work you really should have business insurance. Which racks up the cost and diminishes any apparent gain.


Or be covered under the bosses insurance for any bike being used within his business.

Pinky has both. Bit more expensive but not as bad as I thought.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:


I'd love to know how they work out those rates, a bike costs half as much to run as a car, yeah really Confused , and only four pence per mile more to run than a bicycle Shocked


A lot of HMRC stuff hasn't been updated in a VERY long time.

As such when HMRC considered it people were riding 250s and 300s before the big Japanese 600 IL4s came on stream.

This is demonstrated aptly with HMRC's taxable treatment of lunch vouchers. Your boss can give you lunch vouchers everyday without incurring additional tax of 15p a day. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dibble wrote:

Then you could have claimed 19p per mile back off the taxman, you still can if it's within time and you have records


As I understand it I could claim back the tax on that 19p a mile, which really wasn't worth it for the limited business miles I did (think most people just claimed it as a car).

However the main thing was just how rubbish some employers are.

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PostPosted: 23:40 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
Imonster wrote:


It may have changed in the last few years, but business use with ebike was only minimally more expensive than SDP when I was instructing and was one of the few business policies that specifically did cover instructing at the time.


I wonder why instructing would be a problem? I'd have thought using my logical thought process that an instructor is going to be of a higher standard of rider than the average biker, and since they're instructing learner bikers then they aren't going to be riding in a way that may increase the chances of an accident.

Insurance on learner/school bikes I could understand, but on your own bike?! Then again my logical thought process doesn't usually seem to align with the insurance companies thought process.


It's not just the standard of riding. You'll be doing more miles, so even if your chance of having an accident is lower per mile travelled, if you're travelling thousands upon thousands of miles you may still present a risk.

A learner may also crash into a kitten sanctuary, causing a horrific fireball that you as an instructor may be involved in.
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