Mod 2 Fail Rant

[Theonetyrant]

Heyy all,

Just need to get some stuff off my chest after failing my mod 2 today, would like to see if people feel the examiner was right for failing me.

Ok so test begins except for the rain and a bit of hesitation but nothing to worry about, go onto an a road and decide to overtake a series of lorrys, indicate manouver ect and start overtaking and instructor gets seperated by a car.

As we go round a bend car swerves in front of me i slam on my brakes to avoid hitting the car causing the car behind me to break just as the instructor pulls out from behind the earlier lorry.

Message in my ear "we will now be returning to the test center please leave at the next exit"

Under 10 mins in and i know ive failed.

Anyone else have any fail storys they would like to share ?

[notbike]

What did he expect you to do when a car pulls out in front of you? :S That's worrying, considering I have Mod 2 tomorrow, wouldn't want some asshole to cause me to brake hard.

[recman]

[rideslikean00...]

I think attempting to overtake was your mistake there. I didn't overtake anything on my MOD2, no filtering or similar, apart from the completely normal "you're in the left lane and traffic is moving faster than the right lane going in the same direction" stuff. Played it VERY safe throughout, don't think I ever got higher than 3rd gear and no faster than 40mph.

You can overtake as many things (I would advise SAFELY, obviously) as you want when you pass, for now when you do MOD2 be safe to the point of madness, loads of shoulder checks, don't indicate too early or too late, if you go into a 40 zone from a 30 zone which is the same piece of road don't speed up to 40 until you've completely passed the sign - stuff like that..

Think of it this way - if you're sitting in traffic for 10 minutes that's 10 minutes you're wasting, and assuming you don't drop the bike or something silly you've just made the test that much easier. Sitting in traffic at the lights used up about 5 minutes of my MOD2.
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[ferrisio]

What did the examiner say was the actual reason for failure?

[Theonetyrant]

Yes it was a dual carriageway and the lorries were going around 50mph, I got told in my practice I need to show progression so to overtake if able.

Car swerved out from between 2 of the lorries in the series I was overtaking but I don't believe the examiner saw that so I can't really blame him.

The examiner said the reason for my failure was that a car had to suddenly break due to an action I took.

[Rogerborg]

Y U NO anticipate the car pulling out?

The examiner has to judge you on what he sees.

He probably is a miserable twunt though.

There's (essentially) no right of appeal, just suck it up and try again.
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[pinkyfloyd]

[TheArchitect]

Join the club mate. I failed my first attempt at Mod2 for something the examiner "felt uncomfortable" with. No hazzards around, nothing to smash, kill or maim but because the examiner (from his point of view) saw me taking a wide line on a right turn he felt I wasn't in control.

Anyway point being, and as said above, there's nothing that can be done to change the result. Just learn from it and re-book.

Also, the advice about making progress is referring to keeping up with the flow of traffic and not holding up other road users. Not necessarily beating the traffic. If the car in front is only a bit below the limit just stay behind him.

Don't worry about the fail, put it down to bad luck/shit riding or whatever and move on.

Good luck
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Post doesn't quite add up
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[Ballpien]

[quote="recman"
Had he overtaking* you on the bend or was he on-coming?[/quote]

Overtaken


The other pupil who was testing with me failed. Three serious faults, one of which was stopping too close to a car at a junction. I did the same about 100 yds into the independent ride (stopped within a bike length (only just) and I only got a minor for it.

Could your assessment of the situation been better?

Was the examiner able to see the whole situation develop and decided your reading of the situation wasn't up to scratch?

Maybe that situation in itself wasn't enough to fail you, but compound them with other faults you possibly made and he decided that was the straw that broke the Camel's back..

Tldr: suck it up, rebook, pass.
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[MC]

So was the test stopped? I thought they only stop the test if they see you do something dangerous.
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[James83]

When I took my Mod 2, I went up with another lad being trained by the same school and he went out on his test first. 20 mins later, the examiner returns on his own and tells my instructor where he could find the lad. Not sure exactly what he did, but it was bad enough for the examiner to refuse to take any more responsibility for him, told him to pull over, and just left him there.
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[Llama-Farmer]

I am inclined to believe that he was right to fail you, particularly as he took you straight back to the test centre he must have deemed what you did was not just serious, but dangerous.

Paint diagrams help.


I was told by an instructor (not mine) in the test centre that on a dual carriageway, if you can do, overtake everything thats going more than 5mph less than the speed limit. If you aren't within a few mph of the speed limit if conditions (traffic and weather) allow then you will get marked for failing to make progress, although that is a minor.

On single lane NSL roads then if they're slower than around 45-50 overtake if it is safe to do so, i.e. a nice long straight, no corners etc.

The examiners aren't stupid, they know most people won't ride like they do on the tests, so they want to see people making progress to be sure that they can do safely. If they can't or won't make progress safely on the test then they won't know that they can do it if they pass the test.



You should always anticipate vehicles pulling out from behind lorries to overtake... particularly when you're on a bike as you could well be in their blind spot and a lot of drivers don't seem to bother checking. Ride with a "What if?" attitude.

What if this car doesn't see me and pulls out of the junction?
What if this car suddenly changes lanes without indicating?
What if this kid runs across the street without looking?

If you do that and have a backup plan for when the What If becomes a When, then you'll be a much better rider.



If it genuinely wasn't worthy of a fail then I feel for you, and chin up, but a failed test is not a write off, take something from it and carry that forwards to the next test. Good luck
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[hachi8]

You overtook when you didnt need to...so he gave you the benefit of the doubt to see how the rest of the test went...then within minutes you got yourself in a 'situation'....

Yes..the 'situation' may not have been your fault...but this incident coupled with his already dubious opinion of your 'needlessly aggressive overtake' (in the examiners eyes) meant he had seen enough after just 10 minutes.

Had you not overtaken the lorries then he 'may' have given you the benefit of the doubt.

Being an overly confident rider on your test is all well and good...as long as NOTHING goes wrong....the minute it does, the examiner will put it down to you being too confident.

On your next test...dont try so hard to impress the examiner. Just ride out, take NO silly gambles...no needless overtakes...and ride calm. Trying to prove you can overtake safely and progress is great once youve passed, but is a recipe for disaster on a test.
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[hachi8]

Overtake?....rain?.....test?......hmmmmmm
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[N cee thirty]

whenever i did any learning, they pushed you to overtake lorrys etc , as they will do you for being unduly hesitant sat behind a lorry doing 50 when you have the capability of doing 70.

also the dsa or whatever they call themselves now adays are self financing as far as i'm aware, so make of that what you will
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[Rogerborg]

[hachi8]

[janner_10]

I wouldn't call sat behind 2 lorries @ 50mph on a dual carriage way as correctly cautious. Its too hesitant IMO - thats 20 mph under the limit.

You need to show better progress than that.

That said, did you handle you maneuver correctly, hard braking to 20 mph to avoid the car would of been dangerous. Only you can be sure of what you did - once you have calmed down - you may see his POV.

Its always a gamble on MOD 2 - loads of fuckwits on the road to mess it up for you - as well a an error of judgement on your own behalf.

Relax and take no undue risks - what you after the test is entirely up to you!

Best of luck for the retest.
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[Llama-Farmer]

[hachi8]

[hachi8]

[pinkyfloyd]

[janner_10]

Both good points chaps. I would imagine examiners don't end a test early for no good reason.
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