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sickpup
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Suggest projects for old servers. Reply with quote

Chaps

I have 3 old servers as follows

Dell PE4400 dual 400mhz P11 Xeon 1G ram
Dell PE350 1g P3 1G ram
Dell PE350 750mhz 1G ram

Can anyone suggest any projects/OS installations etc for them?

Use as doorstop is not acceptable. Wink
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chrisw
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This comes up quite often on the sysadmin sub-reddit and I'll say the same on here as I do on there. If you're paying for power there really isn't anything of value you can do with them, you're better off using virtual machines on a more modern desktop machine. They'll 'do more' and burn less energy.

If you're not paying for power, then why not try rolling some form of appliance with a really cut down build (Gentoo or the like). Something like a full function router/vpn/firewall and maybe an authentication source on the 350s and a storage appliance (even if it's just NFS) on the 4400?

All said and done though - I'd rather use a R.Pi. They have as much power (give-or-take) as those dinosaurs and won't make the same level of noise.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last little machine I had spare turned into a pfsense box. Thoroughly pointless tbh Laughing Was alright though.
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now here is some good advice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXZVJXIyqM

sickpup wrote:
Chaps

I have 3 old servers as follows

Dell PE4400 dual 400mhz P11 Xeon 1G ram
Dell PE350 1g P3 1G ram
Dell PE350 750mhz 1G ram

Can anyone suggest any projects/OS installations etc for them?

Use as doorstop is not acceptable. Wink


Pieces of crap. The only value they have is the rack mountable case they sit in. I doubt they could even compete with a midrange smart phone, whilst using as much power as a normal desktop. Very roughly speaking, the base level for computers is Core2 which have become extremely cheap, and in comparison everything before that is either too slow or too inefficient.

chrisw wrote:
This comes up quite often on the sysadmin sub-reddit and I'll say the same on here as I do on there. If you're paying for power there really isn't anything of value you can do with them, you're better off using virtual machines on a more modern desktop machine. They'll 'do more' and burn less energy.

If you're not paying for power, then why not try rolling some form of appliance with a really cut down build (Gentoo or the like). Something like a full function router/vpn/firewall and maybe an authentication source on the 350s and a storage appliance (even if it's just NFS) on the 4400?

All said and done though - I'd rather use a R.Pi. They have as much power (give-or-take) as those dinosaurs and won't make the same level of noise.


Hardly worth it though is it? For storage he will probably want SATA drives and so will need to get a compatible SATA card, and a gigabit network card, when for not much more he could get a motherboard with those included. A Core2 for it would be about £2.50 Laughing

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4400 SLA3F 2M Cache 2.00 GHz 800 MHz FSB
£2.90
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351097923532
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisw wrote:
If you're paying for power there really isn't anything of value you can do with them


This, totally.

The only think i would suggest it that you donate them to a local college or something, but they prolly have some much more modern kit already.

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sickpup
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the 4400 is power hungry but the 350's are actually low powered. This is why I have the Microserver running 24/7. The 4400 is a 3 PSU animal though.

What I should add is I have legal copies of EVERY MS server program upto 2007 so is there anything I should be learning.

Don't think of this as a running everyday thing, more a learn to use stuff especially SCSI, a chance to play with things.
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G
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PSUs are likely worth something - connect two or possibly even three together in serial to provide power for lithium 'hobby' chargers as used on radio controlled stuff, electric bikes and the like.

I'd also consider harvesting fans and the like.

The rest is old enough technology that I can't see it being useful for much when compared to modern fare - the memory card the size of my finger nail I got recently isn't that far off the size of some of the arrays we'd run in that kind of server and may well be faster too, all for £20.

If you find the right buyer, may also sell for parts - as lots of people are still using them for systems not intended to be run on newer hardware, no doubt.
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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not au fait with servers so not sure,
but if they'd run XP or Linux and have parallel ports
they may be useful as dedicated Mach3/EMC CNC controllers.
Maybe 3D printer type stuff?
I've noticed a lot of MBs nowadays dont have parallel ports and I've
had to use older PCs to run the mill
They dont have to be that fast, just stable
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know you can get a USB parallel port for £4 or so?
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
You know you can get a USB parallel port for £4 or so?


Now even I know they create compatibility errors even so far as the latest clock speeds causing problems with them.
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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep
I've not heard good things about USB to parallel ports for cnc
PCI cards maybe
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
You know you can get a USB parallel port for £4 or so?


USB converters and laptops/netbooks are a PITA when it comes to CNC. The Mach3 documentation IIRC warns people to use a desktop as they are unlikely to put out the full voltage and current. USB/Laptops are likely to put out something closer to ~3.3V. USB to serial converters are alright for a lot of low data rate applications though (I've got 2 USB, 1 PCI parallel and 1 PCI Serial).
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chrisw
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Don't think of this as a running everyday thing, more a learn to use stuff especially SCSI, a chance to play with things.


This is another point I normally highlight - these servers are, what, 10 or 11 generations old? The technology inside them really doesn't translate to anything running now, there is little to learn from them.

They'll likely be U320 SCSI, skip even a couple of generations forward and this has gone and is replaced by SATA and SAS. Hop forward a step further to things like blade servers and some of the high density stuff (I have a soft spot for the Dell C series stuff) and local storage has gone completely replaced by 'boot-from-SAN'.

Most things you want to learn can be done so with virtual machines.
Storage? Look at the ZFS implementations or see if you can get a copy of the NetApp training appliance.
Network? GNU3, CORE, Juno Olive etc.. can be setup within VMs.
Compute? You can get 'OpenStack-in-a-box' deployments which will run on even modest hardware.

There really is little server this old can give you that can't be replicated on newer, cheaper to run hardware that you are likely using to post on BCF with!
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