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KM85
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Anyone ride a Kawasaki Ninja 300 Reply with quote

Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had a Kawasaki Ninja 300. I'm riding a honda cbf125 at the moment and when I turn 19 in November I'm thinking of going for my A2 license and then buying a ninja300.

Just wanted to know if they're any good? I've done my research and that, but it's better if I speak to someone about it.

Thanks in advance,
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound bike. A lot of people will tell you to get a big bike and restrict it for A2, but why you need something larger thats restricted is beyond me when the ninja and plenty other A2 bikes are more than capable of cruising on a motorway. I'm getting the ninja once I pass my test so hopefully soon Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two friends who bought them to do trackdays. The call them 'washing machines'... Great fun by all accounts...
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'm not gonna be doing much travelling on the motorways anyway it's just so I'm not stuck on a 125 for ages! So you're with me on that lol.

I don't understand the washing machine part?
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

KM85 wrote:
I don't understand the washing machine part?


Vibey and sound gash.

However, they can hold their own on track, was against one at Brands Hatch both times I've been. Nippy little buggers
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh fair play. I was looking for a bike that sounds great as well as being a good bike overall.

Any ideas on a bike for me then? Preferably one that doesn't sound "gash" ?
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol I'm not going to keep the stock exhaust when I grab mine so it probably won't sound like a washing machine for long.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple of things to bear in mind.

You'll be doing your A2 training and tests on something like a CB500F or possibly even an NC700S. So you'll be used to something bigger with a bit more torque and power, like the CBR500R.

If the Honda is too dull for you, the long awaited KTM RC390 should be out soon, will cost about the same as the Ninja or the Honda, will deliver a fair bit more oomph than the former and doubtless a lot more lulz than the latter.

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PostPosted: 23:10 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:

However, they can hold their own on track, was against one at Brands Hatch both times I've been. Nippy little buggers


I was hoping the ninja 300 would be getting close to the revvy little 400's of 90's. But at 172kg its a little weighty for it's output.

The 400's were around 10kg less and 15bhp more (gsxr400 had 20bhp more).

That said, the KTM RC390 is 147kg and ok 43bhp still isn't as high, but it's still more than the Ninja and 25kg lighter.
Must try one Smile
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:
That said, the KTM RC390 is 147kg and ok 43bhp still isn't as high, but it's still more than the Ninja and 25kg lighter.
Must try one Smile

Good luck, they've been teasing about it since last year.

I did contact my "local" KTM dealer (90 minutes away) to ask about it a few weeks back. Big sigh, pause, "We haven't been told anything yet." I get the impression they've been asked this a lot. Wink

This motorcycle is not currently available!

9th of September in India launch date, with booking being taken afterwards, is all that I can find.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had to go for such a low output bike I'd definitely choose the KTM as well. Looks like a lot of fun and it's not trying to look like a proper Ninja.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

that KTM looks pretty sexy actually Cool
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I test rode one before I bought my er6f, the 300 was a hell of a lot of fun. It's quick enough for everything and does the job well, with really good fuel economy. Also the slipper clutch is Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

The highlight for me was the fact that, like the 125's, you can use the full rev range and even though you may not be going that fast, it feels fast and therefore fun Smile
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did you get the ER6f then?
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Why did you get the ER6f then?


My daily commute includes a 30-mile motorway roundtrip. The 300 is quite capable of motorway riding, it can sit at 80, I mean 70 happily, but it lacks the overtaking power that the 6f has.

I also picked up my er6f at 5k brand new (vs 6k list price), ninja 300 is 5k list, so yea there's that.

The insurance on the er6f was a little cheaper as well Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 28 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think that some of you could be raving about a 39bhp 300cc twin, if it was in an RS125 chassis, and it weighed around 145-150kg instead.

Plenty will disagree, but for out and out sports riding, the current Ninja 300 is only lacking in chassis spec, suspension quality and sophistication, and by not having ultra sharp brakes.

It could lose 20kg easy with a slim aluminium beam frame, light forged wheels, and higher spec suspension too.

The 300cc and 39bhp bit is not the problem, well not for me anyway!
I'd be happy enough with one as a second bike to my KMX, even though the idiot inside me says a 260kg 1200cc V-max is what I really want! Laughing

p.s perhaps Kawasaki could fill a small niche for small track day bikes, by offering a lighter weight better specced Ninja 300SP as an official model? They already race the bike with extensive mods in a race series, so why not?

You could go all G, and say if you want a small light track bike, why not buy an NSR250 or Aprilia RS250 and strip all the road gear off it, or even buy an ex Superteen Aprilia RS etc? But they are all 10year old+ two stroke's with all the pitfalls of them, and there is room for a brand new model of bike that can be clean and pass all todays emissions tests etc.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Malaysia we aren't getting the Ninja 300, instead they're releasing a Ninja 250SL ostensibly to replace their venerable 150rr stroker. Claims 23bhp or so with a single cylinder engine and 150kg curb weight.

KTM Malaysia wants to introduce the RC200 and RC390 next year though. Will be interesting to see how the 250SL will compare to 'em.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather ride a bike with a bit less power than whatever arbitrary limit I had to stick to, than ride something restricted down to that limit. I also like the feeling of a smaller engine in a higher state of tune, they feel a bit more eager. Larger engines in a lower state of tune can feel lazy, with a slow throttle response.

I wouldn't worry about the kerb weight, but the weight distribution is important. You want the weight to be low down and close to the centre of the bike. This is often touted as a new trick, but my 1990ish NTV600 follows the principles. Fitting luggage ruins the handling.

Also, don't get too worked up about getting the perfect bike right now. You'll have lots of bikes, and probably come across the perfect bike for you entirely by mistake.

If you want it to feel fast, get something naked. If you fit a double bubble screen, it will instantly feel much slower. I don't know what sort of alchemy they do, but 150 behind a double bubble feels like 75 on a naked bike.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

An older 250 IL4 screamer would cost a lot less even after fully rebuilding/restoring and be far more fun Laughing

Getting rare in UK but donedeal.ie has some.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
An older 250 IL4 screamer would cost a lot less even after fully rebuilding/restoring and be far more fun Laughing

Getting rare in UK but donedeal.ie has some.

Aside, there are a surprising number of old 400s up for sale near me, priced to sell. I know they mostly claimed above the 35kW / 46hp limit as stock, but would Dibble or an insurer?
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Pigeon wrote:
That said, the KTM RC390 is 147kg and ok 43bhp still isn't as high, but it's still more than the Ninja and 25kg lighter.
Must try one Smile

Good luck, they've been teasing about it since last year.

I did contact my "local" KTM dealer (90 minutes away) to ask about it a few weeks back. Big sigh, pause, "We haven't been told anything yet." I get the impression they've been asked this a lot. Wink

This motorcycle is not currently available!

9th of September in India launch date, with booking being taken afterwards, is all that I can find.


We will probably see it at the NEC bike show in November.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 29 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Aside, there are a surprising number of old 400s up for sale near me, priced to sell. I know they mostly claimed above the 35kW / 46hp limit as stock, but would Dibble or an insurer?


Buy one.... my ZZR400 is the lardiest and least powered of the lot but is the best few hundred quid I've ever spent. Soon as you hit 7k the engine note changes and you grin all way to redline (and thanks to the anti social end can my whole town knows when I hit 7k so they can grin too).

Not sure how good a 400 would be restricted though all the grins are at high RPM wouldn't restricting it strangle that?
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never even seen a Ninja 300 but have owned one of the much older ZZR250 which is basically the same rev box engine, not a bad bike on the open road if kept above 9k rpm but a pain in the ass around the town due to high RPM peak power and torque, so many revs but so little go. These engines are ancient dating back to the early 1980s and were a failed attempt to keep up with the much more powerful strokers of the time in which they failed miserably but I suppose if you want a rev hungry middle of the road machine then there is not a lot of choice out there other than the Ninja 300 but it is a toy compared to the much older CBR250RR 4 cylinder machines and the like if you can find a good one.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I personally think that some of you could be raving about a 39bhp 300cc twin, if it was in an RS125 chassis, and it weighed around 145-150kg instead.

Plenty will disagree, but for out and out sports riding, the current Ninja 300 is only lacking in chassis spec, suspension quality and sophistication, and by not having ultra sharp brakes.

It could lose 20kg easy with a slim aluminium beam frame, light forged wheels, and higher spec suspension too.

The 300cc and 39bhp bit is not the problem, well not for me anyway!
I'd be happy enough with one as a second bike to my KMX, even though the idiot inside me says a 260kg 1200cc V-max is what I really want! Laughing

p.s perhaps Kawasaki could fill a small niche for small track day bikes, by offering a lighter weight better specced Ninja 300SP as an official model? They already race the bike with extensive mods in a race series, so why not?

You could go all G, and say if you want a small light track bike, why not buy an NSR250 or Aprilia RS250 and strip all the road gear off it, or even buy an ex Superteen Aprilia RS etc? But they are all 10year old+ two stroke's with all the pitfalls of them, and there is room for a brand new model of bike that can be clean and pass all todays emissions tests etc.
39 HP? I suspect the Ninja 300 would struggle to make 28 on a good day, my old ZZR250 which shares the same basic engine was claimed to make 40 hp but it only made 24 at the back wheel stock (tested) and topped out at 105 mph downhill with a sail up.
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