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Ammoman
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Bikesure Insurance Rip Off!! Reply with quote

I renewed my wife bike insurance online with Bikesure, I filled out all the details and paid the £120. I sent off my wife's no claims prof and Licence. A week later I get an email saying the under writer is refusing to insure her and have revoked the policy? Apparently when filling the form out online I put August instead of September as the month she passed her test. They are only going to refund £39.. Surely this can't be right?? Genuine mistake on my part. Robbing Bastards. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Bikesure Insurance Rip Off!! Reply with quote

Ammoman wrote:
I renewed my wife bike insurance online with Bikesure, I filled out all the details and paid the £120. I sent off my wife's no claims prof and Licence. A week later I get an email saying the under writer is refusing to insure her and have revoked the policy? Apparently when filling the form out online I put August instead of September as the month she passed her test. They are only going to refund £39.. Surely this can't be right?? Genuine mistake on my part. Robbing Bastards. Twisted Evil


Have you taken this to the insurance onbudsman? Or even said to them that you are going to?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, reply to their complaints department, clearly heading it as a complaint.

You have to go through that process before taking it to the Ombudsman.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full story please - even if it's copy pasta of their letter
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

<Predicts that'll be the last we hear about it>
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a copy of the email. Not very customer friendly.




Customer Ref No:






Plymouth









Date: 29/08/2014





Dear Mrs Curtis



Please find enclosed the Road Traffic Act cancellation letter, issued for policy
number



The cancellation letter has been issued due to the date that you passed your
Category A driving test, being different from that which we were advised at the
inception of your policy. This has resulted in your policy being unacceptable to your
current insurer.



We are able to offer a replacement policy and have attached details of this.



Please note that if we do not hear from you in the next seven days all cover will
cease on 05/09/2014.



Your insurance policy will be cancelled in accordance with the attached
cancellation letter and there will be no cover in force after the date stated.



We trust the above is clear, however, if you do have any further queries, please do
not hesitate to contact us.



Yours sincerely





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PostPosted: 20:15 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right - so the insurer is cancelling, so short period rates do not apply. I assume this was also within the 14 day cooling off period?

What have they actually said about the cancellation - from what date was it taken out, and what date is it being cancelled from?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could make a whole year of difference, because as we know, having held your license for 365 days makes you much more awesome than for 364 days. At a guess, the underwriter only covers 'experienced' riders?

I dunno, I'd wait for the word from arry.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It could make a whole year of difference, because as we know, having held your license for 365 days makes you much more awesome than for 364 days. At a guess, the underwriter only covers 'experienced' riders?

I dunno, I'd wait for the word from arry.


Risk acceptance will be from the underwriter. If the criteria = must have licence more than 1 year, and that hasn't been fulfilled then the UW will have never accepted the policy had the truth be known. In a lot of ways, Bikesure have done you a favour by spotting the error as it could have been a lot more costly later down the line.

With that said, their proposed method of cancellation is incorrect and, totally against treating customers fairly (something I'd recommend you put into any complaint letter by the way).

I'd need to see your policy documentation - but I'd imagine it says something along the lines of 'if YOU cancel your policy' which of course you haven't, they have. Usually wherever an insurer cancels a policy it would be by pro-rata means ie you'd pay for the days on cover. Bikesure would have charged a flat policy fee on top of receiving their commission. Their commission sees them servicing your policy throughout the year, the policy fee covers issuing docs. A cancellation fee shouldn't apply as they've not had to cancel it on your instruction - which I'd imagine their terms of business also stipulates. If you can get me the meat, I'll make you the sandwich.

Still, this is a classy way of doing business guys:
Quote:
How come when you go ahead with a policy you are not advised of the possible cancellation charges?
The cancellation figures are not part of what have to be advised to you when you take the policy out, which is why we send the policy booklet out to you and also offer the 14-day cooling off period.


Lovely stuff Thumbs Up And people still buy on price....
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arry,

Thanks for your input, I will start off by making an official compliant to Bikesure then take it from there. Won't hold my breath thou, another David v Goliath. Cheers.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The letter says they can offer an alternative policy, how much more expensive would that be, and do all the same fees apply to change to the other policy?

The other potential issue for you in the future will be having to answer yes to the question "Have you ever had insurance cancelled or declined?" I'm unsure of the effect of this, but it might do you a favour to transfer across to the other policy if the difference isn't too outrageous? Just thinking out loud really.

I'm with Bikesure for my second year. They were annoying when I started my policy because I had to send form after form off, only to have them send me more forms that they forgot to send the first time. But aside from that I've found them ok.
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont get you very far, but my dad once sent an awesome reply letter, to the bank IIRC that went a little something like......

Dear Mr xxxxxx

Thank you very kindly for the 3 pages of toilet paper you have sent me.
I read all the text on it, at first I thought it was a letter, but on closer inspection of the ridiculous text on the pages, I eventually drew the conclusion that the words on the page are just a load of shit!
What a clever play on metaphors! 3 pages of shit on paper!
I however regret to inform you that your toilet paper is a little harsh on my baby smooth rectum, so I enclose some of my preferred toilet paper for you put an future correspondence on.

Yours sincerely


Then stick a few sheets of bog-roll in the envelope Wink
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
I'd have thought they'd want to charge you an admin fee to fix the error, but to cancel the policy seems a little odd. It's not like you've massively mislead them being a month out, like if you'd failed to declare accidents or made up NCD.


Did you read the email in the post above.....

I quote for you. Note bits in bold...

Quote:

The cancellation letter has been issued due to the date that you passed your
Category A driving test, being different from that which we were advised at the
inception of your policy. This has resulted in your policy being unacceptable to your current insurer.



We are able to offer a replacement policy and have attached details of this.


Quote:

Not promoting MCE in the slightest, but as they don't ask for docs this wouldn't of happened Whistle


I would do a search on the number of times MCE had been slated off here....

What is odd is the amount of the refund compared to the amount paid.
They are only allowed to charge for days of ins used and then the admin charge....
Unless the OP was paying monthly and in that case as we all know... They have taken out a loan.....
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
They are only allowed to charge for days of ins used and then the admin charge....

If cancelled by the customer.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:


Risk acceptance will be from the underwriter. If the criteria = must have licence more than 1 year, and that hasn't been fulfilled then the UW will have never accepted the policy had the truth be known. In a lot of ways, Bikesure have done you a favour by spotting the error as it could have been a lot more costly later down the line.


^^^This!

Sounds very much like your wife hasn't got the required driving experience that the insurer required.
I notice from your copied correspondence that they have asked you to contact them within 7 days, have you tried to speak to them before starting this thread?
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically OP decided to put the month before so it brought the price down....Unfortunately it has backfired in this instance.

As someone else has said, count yourself fortunate because they could have turned a blind eye knowing they had a 'get out clause' if you have to make a claim.

Leson to learn...dont try to manipulate the truth on an insurance quote form..it may bring your quote down, but it will also cause problems later on.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Have you ever had insurance refused or cancelled?"

Standard (type of) question for policies these days - I can't imagine they ask it if they won't use it against you. I'd want to get this sorted pronto in a way that means "no" is a truthful answer.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they also attached a new quote for £155 rather than the £120 already paid out. Wasn't going to pay them another £155 that they wanted. Sick
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammoman wrote:
Yes they also attached a new quote for £155 rather than already paid out. Wasn't going to pay them another £155 that they wanted. Sick


Yeah but the £120 was never the right quote as the wrong details were (purposefully) inserted to get the cheaper price.

Best advice to anyone doing quotes is to just be honest. Trying little tricks to get the price down may seem clever at the time but if you ever have a claim it can invalidate any claim.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:


As someone else has said, count yourself fortunate because they could have turned a blind eye knowing they had a 'get out clause' if you have to make a claim.


Doesn't work that way. If they'd been provided with the licence and missed the error then there would have been an affirmation by silence
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammoman wrote:
Yes they also attached a new quote for £155 rather than the £120 already paid out. Wasn't going to pay them another £155 that they wanted. Sick


Is that a straight exchange for £35, or is that them giving you the £39 refund after all their cancellation fees, then you having to shell out another £155?

If all you need to pay is another £35 to sort it all out, then I'd have thought that would be worth doing. If not, perhaps a bit of negotiation explaining it was an honest mistake, to see if they can waive any of the fees to keep your business?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than taking out the new policy could you ask them to amend the original policy to have a start date after her pass date, as presumably, as Roger says that particular underwriter only insures riders with x years experience.

If it's possible it'll save you having to tick the "insurance cancelled" box in future
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