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Hellbrandt
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Best security chain+lock Reply with quote

Hi guys, about to buy my first bike on Monday and im curious as to what chain and lock to buy alongside a ground anchor.

Bike will be kept inside a garage but can never be too safe!

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax or Pragmasis.

Don't be fooled by the claims by other manufacturers.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Almax.

...or Pragmasis. Wink

I use a 16mm long-link anchor chain as a visual deterrent when oot and aboot. My understanding is that you'll need an angle grinder or hydraulic cutters to get through any 16mm chain in a practical amount of time, so it's really a question of how much of that time you want to give yourself.

I'd suggest that an audible alarm on the bike or the garage might be a reasonable investment.

Oh, and I use Enfield locks on my garage door.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got an Almax Immobiliser 3 chain...Abloy 362 lock and Hardie Secure Ground Anchor.....and all that in my locked garage.


BUT...if somebody 'really' wanted my Gixxer then im sure they could find a way.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever security you use can be bypassed by a pro.

What we can do is put off casual joyriders, so make things as difficult as possible for them and they will look for an easier target.

BIG chains, chunky ground anchors and a noisy alarm if your bike is moved is the best you can do.
preferably inside a solid built garage, with floodlights good enough for Wembley stadium that light up the whole area if someone goes near the garage lol

All that should help you sleep better Smile

As for security when your away from home...
Take a chain in a backpack or topbox and use the same rules you would for a Mountain Bike!
Chain it to something, if your with friends... chain bikes together.
and set your alarm.

All this may seem over the top, but i learned the hard way when my bike went missing many years ago :/

Also if you state on your insurance that it will be kept in a locked garage, make sure it is!!
Otherwise you will find they dont want to pay out :/
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 30 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax 16mm chain and a squire padlock. My chains a bit shorter than I'd expected though :S might get another longer one tbh.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pragmasis, ground anchor and Pinch Pin. Viffer has a hollow rear axle so the Pinch Pin slots right through meaning it only needs the shortest chain so works out cheaper for me.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry a 1.5m 19mm Almax with me everywhere I go. Some people say that it's too big to carry on a daily basis, but I just pop it in the top box and forget that it's there.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I carry a 1.5m 19mm Almax with me everywhere I go. Some people say that it's too big to carry on a daily basis, but I just pop it in the top box and forget that it's there.


What padlock do you use to secure the chain? Was thinking of grabbing the 19mm before but not sure which good quality padlock can fit on that one.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only one that Almax or Pragmasis supply for 19mm is the Squire Stronghold SS65CS or SS65CS-XLN . I can't imagine why you'd pay that much for a chain and then put a cheap lock on it.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

19mm is too big for out and about imo. In fact I went for 16mm for home as I felt the 19mm was overkill, if they've come tooled up to take out the 'un-croppable' 16mm then they'll get through the 19mm aswell. Just take a bit longer and if that's the case then nothing short of a landmine is going to stop them.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The only one that Almax or Pragmasis supply for 19mm is the Squire Stronghold SS65CS or SS65CS-XLN . I can't imagine why you'd pay that much for a chain and then put a cheap lock on it.


I just realized they sell the padlock with it Embarassed I'm a retard lmao.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not convinced that a 19mm chain provides significantly more protection than a 16mm chain, yet is significantly heavier and more expensive.

If you've come equipped with a grinder, then cutting through 19mm isn't that much more difficult than 16mm.

I bought the 16mm version, and the anti pinch pin, for this reason
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:


anti pinch pin


Just been looking at one of these, I just got a 19mm almax second hand off here the other day for home use but its a pain getting it trough the frame everyday, maybe one of these will help.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What ever size chain and lock you buy. Someone will have something to cut through it. If you are anything like me. I got a dam good heavy chain and lock. From the local hard wear store. For the length of chain I needed and a lock. Cost me less than £20, In fact I think it was about £12 in all.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is how many people will come equipped to deal with an Almax or Pragmasis, or if parking in public, whether they'll come for your bike, or the one next to it.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The issue is how many people will come equipped to deal with an Almax or Pragmasis, or if parking in public, whether they'll come for your bike, or the one next to it.


Exactly, I regularly park my bike next to an identical (apart form the colour) bike. While I'll happily admit they are possibly the least attractive bikes to a thief, I whack a crappy disc lock on mine just to make it that bit more of a hassle to nick than the one right next to it.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax 16mm, squire padlock and Y-Anchor is my set up. Not been put to the test yet and hope it never does but I think its pretty stern opposition to whoever doth come to try.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:


Also if you state on your insurance that it will be kept in a locked garage, make sure it is!!
Otherwise you will find they dont want to pay out :/
(check your documents)


I need to phone the insurance company to check my metal shed with padlock will count as a garage, seems it depends on the company as some only deem a garage to be a structure made of brick or stone, while others say if its made of metal you're fine.



Thanks for the advice guys, ill look into getting a 16mm Almax chain. Is there a recommended place to buy it from online or just shop around for cheapest deal?

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I very much doubt they'll class that as a garage. Remember, what matters is what the underwriter thinks at the point where you make a claim, not what the broker says when they're selling the policy.

With Almax or Pragmasis, you'll either have to buy used, or direct from the supplier.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I very much doubt they'll class that as a garage. Remember, what matters is what the underwriter thinks at the point where you make a claim, not what the broker says when they're selling the policy.

With Almax or Pragmasis, you'll either have to buy used, or direct from the supplier.


Darn it, not being able to select Garaged on my insurance slams on another £150 odd as this is my first vehicle, so no NCB or such.

In regards to keeping it outside on a private driveway, is a generic tarp covering the bike suitable?
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellbrandt wrote:
Barnoe wrote:


Also if you state on your insurance that it will be kept in a locked garage, make sure it is!!
Otherwise you will find they dont want to pay out :/
(check your documents)




My insurance specifically says that my bike is not covered if outside when stolen within 500 meters of my garage.

My insurance documents also state no locks on the bike, so it is covered if I forget / can't be bothered to lock it inside the garage.

It cost about £5 more for the bike to not be locked on the policy
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellbrandt wrote:
is a generic tarp covering the bike suitable?


Suitable for what?!?
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
Hellbrandt wrote:
is a generic tarp covering the bike suitable?


Suitable for what?!?


To protect it from rain/snow if i have to park it in my driveway.
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