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PostPosted: 11:06 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you drive on the left side of the road, I'd say you give way to vehicles coming from the left, so the motorcycle in the first picture should go first.

BUT, there can be a traffic sign that says otherwise.

EDIT: By the way, if you drive on the right side of the road, you give way to vehicles coming from the right. Keep that in mind when you cross the channel.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the biker has any brains he'd give way to the car right or wrong. It's natural to expect a vehicle at a side road to give way to you when you're taking the road ahead so it's very likely that is exactly what the car driver is going to assume. If the car's not indicating, assume it's coming through and les it pass.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

first image the bike is a t a give way - so the bike would have to give way. The car is at a no entry point for traffic come from the left of the bike, its not a give way it just a piece of road with a one way section in it.

second one is the bikers fault as the situation is too dangerous for safe filtering and/crossing onto the on coming lane. a nasty pig might see fit to try and prosecute for driving without due care and attention.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did the council say when you made them aware that the ambiguous road markings at that junction were increasing the risk of a collision?

From what you've drawn, I see no reason for there to be give way markings at the end of the one way street, and if there's no reason for them to be there then they shouldn't be there. See:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/43525/tal-reducing-sign-clutter.pdf

And:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/images/uksi_20023113_en_151

Diagram 1046 requires only the words "NO ENTRY" (or "PLAY STREET", never seen that). There's no requirement for give way markings as well.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its been said time and time again, being correct doesn't make hospital food any better.

With no legal standpoint, common sense says car has right of way - aren't those lines there to signify the no entry? From car's point of view its just a straight road with no issues.

I think its all a bit of a moot point, we always check left and right anyway, and no one in their right mind would pull out into the path of a car unless it had significantly slowed down to let us out.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would presume that the give way markings where at the one way section to force the car to give way to oncoming traffic that has to turn right into the junction where the bike is.

the whole situation changes when you add that third vehicle in there
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Who has right of way? Reply with quote

MC wrote:
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Also another question, more of liability I guess. If your filtering in the following situation, and the bus lane is open to cars, but they're not using it what would happen in an accident (apart from the biker ending up in hospital... obviously).
https://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/13/82/47/filter10.png


Bike crossing into oncoming traffic, car going in opposite direction is in their chosen lane, regardless of whether they could or even should move left, the proximate cause is the bike being over the centre line
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it's a simple case of giving way to the right, the car is approaching from the right and therefore has right of way?
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st pic is just a one way road with a T junction. Strange that it has give way markings? It only needs no entry. Car gets right of way, unless its a hesitant fucker Laughing

Second pic, they dont have to use the bus lane. You overtake on the white lines at your risk. Its often perfectly safe with oncoming traffic but I assume accident is bikes fault, unless they do something careless.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
I would presume that the give way markings where at the one way section to force the car to give way to oncoming traffic that has to turn right into the junction where the bike is.

There won't be any such traffic, because...

kramdra wrote:
1st pic is just a one way road with a T junction.

...that.

That "last one" example looks like a prime candidate for a mini roundabout.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Who has right of way? Reply with quote

MC wrote:
https://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/13/82/47/righto10.png


IMO...
Regardless of the road markings, the bike is joining the road where-as the car is already on that road.

Give way to the car.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Since you drive on the left side of the road, I'd say you give way to vehicles coming from the left,.


I hate to be around you coming upto a roundabout then Embarassed

As to the OP.

Straight on has right of way. eg. Car

2nd pic. Again straight on. So whoever gets passed the white lines & onto the road has right of way....

But would most likely end up 50/50 if they hit.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would always give way to the right, regardless.

Mini roundabouts can be particularly annoying if vehicles arrive from all directions at the same time:

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MinI-Roundabout1.png

Essentially you'd have to sit there until someone moves, but whoever does would be liable in the event of any accident.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first diagram neither has priority, the give way lines at the end of the one way system is to give way to vehicles tuning right from the main road into the side road.

In this situation with no other traffic I would advise the bike to give way to the car, being prepared to go if the car stops and it is obvious that the car is giving way.

You can not TAKE priority only give it.

With the second diagram, if you take to view of only overtaking (that is what the bike is doing) then it should be safe legal convenient (to others) and necessary. The vehicle coming the other way makes three of the four a negative as you do not know why the vehicle coming the other way is in the right hand lane and not in the bus lane that is open to all vehicle due to signage and or road markings.

As for the third diagram refer to the first except the main road is turning left. I would advise that the vehicle gave way to the bike, but the bike may want to think about any vehicle from the right.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
You would always give way to the right, regardless.

Mini roundabouts can be particularly annoying if vehicles arrive from all directions at the same time:

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MinI-Roundabout1.png

Essentially you'd have to sit there until someone moves, but whoever does would be liable in the event of any accident.


This sort of junction although is for the passive, you can take control by your road action, hang back from the line, you are giving priority in an obvious way peep and creep and you are letting others give you priority (remember you don't take it)
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:


Mini roundabouts can be particularly annoying if vehicles arrive from all directions at the same time:

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MinI-Roundabout1.png

Essentially you'd have to sit there until someone moves.


aaah yes, the Mexican Stand off!
i'm sure Tef will be along shortly to tell you of the"joy" that is the Heath End Road in Nuneaton!
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
Dale_Mckeown wrote:


Mini roundabouts can be particularly annoying if vehicles arrive from all directions at the same time:

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MinI-Roundabout1.png

Essentially you'd have to sit there until someone moves.


aaah yes, the Mexican Stand off!
i'm sure Tef will be along shortly to tell you of the"joy" that is the Heath End Road in Nuneaton!


Fortunately I don't need the tale telling, because i'm originally from Beduff!

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Since you drive on the left side of the road, I'd say you give way to vehicles coming from the left, so the motorcycle in the first picture should go first.

BUT, there can be a traffic sign that says otherwise.

EDIT: By the way, if you drive on the right side of the road, you give way to vehicles coming from the right. Keep that in mind when you cross the channel.


You are wrong.

If you drive on the left you give way to the right and vice versa.

It is only old Eastern Bloc countries that drive on the right and give way to the right and this has been the reason for a lot of crash for cash frauds on old Eastern Bloc motorways.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
You would always give way to the right, regardless.
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This.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urgh.

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/overview

The Man wrote:
The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.

This means exactly what it says.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
You would always give way to the right, regardless.

Mini roundabouts can be particularly annoying if vehicles arrive from all directions at the same time:

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MinI-Roundabout1.png

Essentially you'd have to sit there until someone moves, but whoever does would be liable in the event of any accident.


He who moves first has right of way....(I say he, because a she would hardly ever move first, unless it's a she texting and not stopping anyway)...Or as I've said to Mrs D when she's been driving in that situation....fucking hell love, should I have brought sandwiches?
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