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Tungtvann
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: 24GB RAM Reply with quote

My PC has 16gb of RAM in a configuration of 2x 8gb. I've come across a few 4gb sticks of RAM and was wondering if it would work/be worth it if I banged those extra sticks in taking me to a total of 24gb?

I know RAM is supposed to be paired for best effect, but I'd have 2 pairs in effect.

Or shall I just sell it all on ebay?
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Paddy]What speed are they? If they're sound, and are PC3 12800, I'll happily buy them off you.[/Paddy]

To answer your question though, yes it should work fine. 24GB is a bit overkill though.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're pretty old, PC2 5300F it says on the packet. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but bigger numbers are better, right?

It's all brand new in box still, we're packing up the computer systems we've got out here and there was a box of unused upgrade parts, not on accounts (civvy owned) and likely to be binned, so I grabbed (was given) a load. Figured I might as well, even to bung it in my PC, sell it or give away to any friends/family who need some more RAM.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, no worries then.

It'll only work properly if it matches the speed of your current RAM - IIRC, RAM tends to be slowed down to match the slowest component, so if your current RAM is faster, then it'll drop the speed accordingly.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a RAM test program to benchmark what I'm running? The RAM I have installed currently is new and pretty good, much better than the free stuff I found, so is 24gb ever going to be worse than 16gb?

Forgive the stupid questions!
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you actually use all of your 16gb? If you don't, you'll just get a slight performance hit by throwing that stuff in.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, when you already have 16GB your CPU is a more likely bottleneck.
Looking in task manager on my (16GB) desktop - while chugging away rendering a 1080p video the CPU is bouncing to the max but RAM barely tops 10GB
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 31 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Do you actually use all of your 16gb? If you don't, you'll just get a slight performance hit by throwing that stuff in.


As Seb says, unless it matches the speed, timing ratings and various other bits and bobs of your current RAM then you will actually take a performance hit. Will it be a noticeable hit? maybe not, you most likely won't notice it depending on what you do with your PC.

That being said, do you find that you are using all 16GB of RAM? If you're running a number of VM's then you might need more RAM and the performance gain of having more available memory would offset the decrease in memory speed; however that is extremely unlikely in my eyes.

You know who could do with some extra RAM though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

recman wrote:
Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing

Do you want some more? I've got 14 sticks of 4gb RAM. If I do use it, I'll still have 12 to give away. If anyone wants some, let me know and I can send it to you when I'm back at the end of the month.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
recman wrote:
Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing

Do you want some more? I've got 14 sticks of 4gb RAM. If I do use it, I'll still have 12 to give away. If anyone wants some, let me know and I can send it to you when I'm back at the end of the month.


If serious then yes please! i'd take 4 off your hands Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only add it if you are using more than 12gb of RAM, more RAM won't add more speed unless youre going to use it.

Press CTRL, SHIFT ESC, to bring up performance monitor, and monitor your RAM usage over a period of time.

I only go past 8gb when I run a load of virtual machines. I've got 24gb in my pc, but rarely need the last 8gb or so
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
recman wrote:
Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing

Do you want some more? I've got 14 sticks of 4gb RAM. If I do use it, I'll still have 12 to give away. If anyone wants some, let me know and I can send it to you when I'm back at the end of the month.


I also wouldn't say no to two sticks. Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. I'll save you (Benson) and Dale some.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
recman wrote:
Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing

Do you want some more? I've got 14 sticks of 4gb RAM. If I do use it, I'll still have 12 to give away. If anyone wants some, let me know and I can send it to you when I'm back at the end of the month.


Thanks for the offer but I don't think it'll take any more.
Doubling up what I already had has made a reasonable difference so I'm ok for now.Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 01 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
recman wrote:
Jesus! 24gb of RAM?

The cheap PC I bought a little while ago had a 2gb stick in one of the 2 slots.
I've just maxed it out with a pair of matched 2gb sticks and I thought I was doing well. Laughing

Do you want some more? I've got 14 sticks of 4gb RAM. If I do use it, I'll still have 12 to give away. If anyone wants some, let me know and I can send it to you when I'm back at the end of the month.


count me in for 4x please. pretty please
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 02 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you still have 2 spare sticks left, I'll take them off your hands. I'm not desperate but they would be very helpful.
Thanks
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 02 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you still have 2 spare sticks left, I'll take them off your hands. I'm not desperate but they would be very helpful.
Thanks
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 02 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure thing. I think that's all the spare RAM I've got allocated.

That'll be:
Dale x 4
Benson x 2
El_oso x 4
Fat james x 2

I'll post again when I can send it out to you.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 02 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You boss. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 02 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

install the extra ram and then ram disc and run some software from there. in this situation more is better as you can allocate more to software, I would aim to keep at least 8gig for the system though
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 04 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

how many of your programs are true 64bit?

If you use a lot of 32bit programs more ram will allow you to multitask/ run more programs at once, but won't help programs that are running up against their 2gb ceiling (chrome does this often then hangs). To help these you need to set the large address aware flag for the .exe.

If the program is capable it will now be able to use the full 4gb address space/virtual memory a 32 bit system would have been limited to as their is no 2gb~2gb kernel mode/ user mode split needed for the emulated 32bit environment on a 64 bit system freeing all the 4gb address space for the program to use.

You would be surprised how much smoother memory hungry programs run when not limited to 2gb address space per instance.

For anyone on a 32 bit system you can still benefit from setting the large address aware flag for memory hungry programs, but to to do so you need to increase the user mode memory allocation by setting the 3gb switch and the pae switch to your boot.ini (IncreaseUserVA in bcdedit for vista and above).

your programs will benefit but the o/s will be limited to use the remaining 1gb address space, so will page more.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 05 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

prawny1 wrote:
how many of your programs are true 64bit?

If you use a lot of 32bit programs more ram will allow you to multitask/ run more programs at once, but won't help programs that are running up against their 2gb ceiling (chrome does this often then hangs). To help these you need to set the large address aware flag for the .exe.

If the program is capable it will now be able to use the full 4gb address space/virtual memory a 32 bit system would have been limited to as their is no 2gb~2gb kernel mode/ user mode split needed for the emulated 32bit environment on a 64 bit system freeing all the 4gb address space for the program to use.

You would be surprised how much smoother memory hungry programs run when not limited to 2gb address space per instance.

For anyone on a 32 bit system you can still benefit from setting the large address aware flag for memory hungry programs, but to to do so you need to increase the user mode memory allocation by setting the 3gb switch and the pae switch to your boot.ini (IncreaseUserVA in bcdedit for vista and above).

your programs will benefit but the o/s will be limited to use the remaining 1gb address space, so will page more.


I often hit the 2Gb limit in Excel, that's at work though not at home.

How many regular programs that are still 32bit really do need a 64bit version? Take chrome for example, how in the hell do you use 2Gb of address space in a web browser. How many tabs do you keep open at once? I know some people will have 10+ tabs open at once. I don't know how they do it. For me it's quicker to close down a tab and reopen than to try and find that one tab in a sea of tabs if i ever need to open in again.

I still only have 4Gb RAM installed. It's rare that I'll get anywhere near that. I rarely hit 3Gb but would still like to use a RAM disk. Can;t imagine how quick compiling a c# project stored in RAM would be with VS 2013 running from an SSD.

Also, the 4Gb limit for 64bit programs is only a soft limit imposed by the operating system right or wrong?
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 05 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thorn wrote:
Tungtvann wrote:
They're pretty old, PC2 5300F it says on the packet. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but bigger numbers are better, right?


Those are DDR2 sticks, you (and most other people in this thread I'd guess) are running DDR3.

It's not compatible.


this is true, missed that. If that's the case I need DDR3 so won't be needing my 4x.

I'd probably be selling these on ebay. DDR2 is now more expensive than DDR3 I believe.
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