E-bike almost into affordable range...

[daemonoid]

Brammo have dropped their prices to a little under £6,500 +VAT

The range is still a bit of an issue at ~60 miles highway (~130 city) but that'd work as a commuter for many people.

https://www.brammo.com/eu-incentives/

At those prices it may get close to making financial sense with the petrol savings. The specs are really getting close for me - I travel 90km/day and once the 80% charge is above that it'd be a serious proposition.
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[Celera]

My commute could cope with that, and a part of me would be interested from a financial perspective.

But it would mean no weekend jollies off into the hills. Not sure I could cope with that.

[c_dug]

It would have to be a second bike to work, you couldn't use it seriously as a mode of transport, any serious mileage becomes a ballache.

Temptinger and temptingerer though!
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[_Iain_]

You know what, that's really fucking tempting.

Basicly, I get out of work, get my lid & jacket then go for a hoon up to maccy d's around 2 miles away. Meet a few people, then hoon it to the nearest industrial estate with a burger van through some lanes. Then hoon it to another maccy d's to meet more people. Then go meet up in a carpark on the other side of town, chat shit, watch people doing wheelies & head home.

Occasionally I'll go to the shops at around 5-10 miles round trip, or to visit my mum at around the same, but I'll very very rarely do more than 60 miles in a day, I'll also rarely hit 70-80mph. Hence the Duke makes a lot of sense for me at the moment.

No road tax, no real fuel bill, but the same sort of performance I'm more than happy with?

I think I'd want to ride one before signing up mind, but I've been a real fan of the looks of the Brammo Empulse R scince seeing it.

And have you seen Icon's take on it?

https://brammoblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/empulse-rr1.jpg

https://www.rideicon.com/bikes/2014-team-icon-brammo-empulse-rr-rage/

FAP.
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[Chalky.]

Cost and time of charging it up?

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

That is quite tempting. Would work on my commute too.
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[Knacker]

My commute is only 6 miles so it might work for me 2
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[RhynoCZ]

Sounds way too good to be true.
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[daemonoid]

I just ran an insurance quote - comes out 1.5x-2x what I'd pay for an similar spec & price Ducati monster.

That's a bit of a shame - I guess insurers are just avoiding the unknown. Anyone else care to run a quote for comparison - maybe I'm a one off...

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Done some thinking on this, and from a cost point of view, it's still not worth it.

A brand new SV650S is £4k. With the money saved over the brammo, you could buy enough fuel to do about 34k miles. So the SV is almost cheaper than walking.

However you would have to own an SV.
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[DrSnoosnoo]

Depending on my job situation in a year I might take a punt on one.
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[MarkJ]

You also won't have to change engine oil & filter and spark plugs on a leccy bike. Not sure if they still use coolant to cool the motor. In theory you'd think there's less to go wrong with them which must be a cost saving.

A few more years and they'll start to become cost effective I reckon
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[daemonoid]

[Rogerborg]

It's getting there, but £7800 is still too big a gamble for me.

Resale and parts are where I have an issue. Would you buy a last-generation bike with a battery of unknown potential? I'm sure there's a warranty, but what if the manufacturer folds or Phoenixes?

I reckon I'll wait and see what The Yamaha PES/PED bikes are like.
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[iooi]

One slight issue...

[tbourner]

[J4mes]

[stevo as b4]

I like the idea of an electric bike for commuting, and I'd like it even more if you could take them onto trains for longer distance travel. (no flammable fuel so should there be an issue?)

But as bikes are or can be cheapish to run, EV's only really make sense to me in car form at the moment. An 80mph, 100mile range car could suit me, and Even for my trips to Cornwall 200miles, I could make a day out of it in an electric car.

I think for short commutes the Idea that G and other's have had about a mountain bike with 500w of electric assistance and reasonable value battery costs and life would be the better option.

An electric bike would be all nice and green or certainly would appear that way to the gen public/other road user's. I've been out a few times lately and got back stinking of two stroke, but have increasingly been aware of how little people seem to think of a noisy smelly bike that leaves a blue haze trail behind it.

People these days either think your bike is just very broken, or that your a cunt and don't care!

[Wonko The Sane]

Give me an electric version of a ZZR600 and I'd be up for it

I like the full bodywork for commuting in all weathers, unfortunately my bike lives in the garden so not 100% sure on charging, same argument for electric car, I can't 'safely'* run a cable to it.


*without fear of someone prating about / tripping on it.
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[G]

Getting less silly, but using the above example I'd still talk to someone on endless sphere, give them £5k and likely get a better machine configured more usefully for your needs with lower TCO.

I suspect those figures for life are based on the majority of journeys not being near the range specified.

As ever, there are solutions that electric vehicles can be good; I don't think this is one, yet.

I do like the gearbox - so often it's dropped and while it makes sense on some light weight push bike style designs (my current project is single speed for electric for cost and weight reasons, but given the choice I'd prefer gears - but didn't want to spend the cash on mid drive) - however, apart from that, I still don't see anything to differentiate this from others.
And that's part of the problem I think - they're all trying to dress up a very basic product with fancy styling and marketing to justify silly prices.

I can see this being a sector that will get interesting if the chinese factories take an interest - suddenly the big profit margins go and looking at the electric RC stuff, there's been a good deal of response to the techy consumer - often building products around open source community produced software and selling them at very reasonable prices.

[deadwolf]