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Connors13
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Help regarding A2/What do I do Reply with quote

Hi there,

New to the forum.

I'm currently 21 (22 in January) and really want to get on a bike.
I have had experience of bikes however not on the road.
I rode speedway for A number of years and also owned a gas gas trials bike.

I've also been dribong since 17.

I am wondering what is best.

- Do I wait til I'm 22, then do my CBT and ride a 125 for 2 years then when 24 do the unrestricted test.

Or

- do CBT and A2 now, then unrestricted in 2 years time?

I don't particularly like the idea of taking the same test twice.

Any comments appreciated.

Connor.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Help regarding A2/What do I do Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
Hi there,

New to the forum.

I'm currently 21 (22 in January) and really want to get on a bike.
I have had experience of bikes however not on the road.
I rode speedway for A number of years and also owned a gas gas trials bike.

I've also been dribong since 17.

I am wondering what is best.

- Do I wait til I'm 22, then do my CBT and ride a 125 for 2 years then when 24 do the unrestricted test.

Or

- do CBT and A2 now, then unrestricted in 2 years time?

I don't particularly like the idea of taking the same test twice.

Any comments appreciated.

Connor.


Im in a similar situation, except im 23 now and only got 1 year to wait.

Ive just done my CBT 2 months ago and been riding my ybr125 daily. Really want to lose the L plates and get on a bigger bike now but dont want to have to do the tests twice so close together. Ive just turned 23 so only got 1 year to wait which doesn't sound long, but i think its going to be a long 12 months riding a 125!

If i was you and was 21 now then id probably go straight for the A2, have your two years riding something a little more fun than a 125 then do your test again for the full license.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Help regarding A2/What do I do Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
do CBT and A2 now, then unrestricted in 2 years time?

That.


Connors13 wrote:
I don't particularly like the idea of taking the same test twice.

Eh. They're not that hard. If you get a 595cc+ 40kW+ bike and restrict or "restrict" it for riding on A2, then you can use it for your A tests in a couple of years. Just "derestrict" it in the test centre car park.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in a similar situation. Passed my cbt in July. I turned 22 in August. I'm currently riding a 125 and it's fine around the city/town roads and most A roads but once you get up to 50mph it's not much fun to ride on. It's loud and not in a good way. It's also got literally no power in that situation; obviously you'd expect that with a 125.

I didn't have the time this summer to do my big bike test although I kind of wish I had made the time but I'm going to wait till summer 2016 when I'm 24. I probably wouldn't have the money to do it next summer and I'm going to Australia for a year in July anyway so I'm happy enough waiting till 2016.

However in your case I'd say do your A2 now as although I love my bike, 125's can be irritating especially when you can't overtake safely on dual carriageways and can't go on the motorway due to L plates and even if you had an A1 licence, I doubt it would be fun or more importantly safe, if you rode a 125 on a motorway. Yeah so if you know you can easily fund your A licence test when you're 24 then I'd say go for the A2 and get a nice bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... its such a ball-ache re-taking two tests that together take less than a hour of your life, and cost £90, after spending half a grand on a course, and gawd kows how much on a bike, insurace and riding gear!
Typical rider's bggest single annual expendature is Fuel, that usually runs into £1000's a year.... WHAT the fuck is £90 in that bigger picture, hugh?
Do A1 tests, even f you are over 19, its cheaper than a repeat CBT to continue L-Plating
Do A2 and you can possibly upgrade to full A on your 'Restricted' A2 bike simply pulling restrictor for self book tests; if ot, as an A2 licence hlder, returning to training school to get a bike under your bum for tests, probably only means a couple of test-lessons to take you to and from test center, and again, small-potatoes in bigger bag of costs.

Only thing holding you back here, would seem to be pre-conceptions, silly ideas and a very tight grip on your wallet.

What use is money if not to get you the things you really want?
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Connors13
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that was a somewhatt spirited response Teflon-mike!
However it does seem very true.

The money isn't the problem, it's just the simple fact that it annoys me that I would have to do the same thing Again on a slightly bigger bike.
Although when I think of it I probably wouldn't be bothered about taking my car driving test again if I had to now...

I kind of also think I wanted somebody to tell me that it's not stupid to do the test twice...

Thanks for the reply.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
I kind of also think I wanted somebody to tell me that it's not stupid to do the test twice...

Look, you are dealing with Bureaucracy here... I would LIKE to tell you it's not 'stooopid'... but since its the exact same test, probably on the exact same bike, round the exact same streets.... Err... nope... sorry, it IS stupid.
Treat it as a life lesson.
If you cant deal with 'stupid'... biking ent for you.
99% of hazards on the road is 'Stupid'.. deal with it, and get on with your life!
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So get booked onto an A2 training course would be your suggestion?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My suggestion, is whatever you do, do it wth a full licece; whether that's an A1 won on your own 125 after a short while of L-Plating, or after a course for A2, matters little.. your life, your money, your call.
I do advocate that time on a tiddler is rarely wasted, as limited power and light weight does demand some fine control and precissio to be mastered, where bigger heavier bikes tend to damp out clumsiness, while, view from a bike seat is very different to that fro a car, or push-bike and getting to grips with managing traffic from the saddle is not as easy a task as many with off-road bike or on-road car experience would presume; however, tiddling dont have to be for long, or before passing tests, 46bhp is MAX power on an A2 licence, no one says you have to get a full A2 quta bke straight off, if at all.. and plenty of very useful over 125's that can be cheaper to by and run, and do the same job as training wheels.

And I DO say that training is good. More you learn to do right, right at the start, less likely you are to have to learn by the school of hard-knocks, finding out what doesn't work so good from falling off, or getting to bad habbits you have to break for tests.

Take that advice how you will.... make up your ow mind... you don't get a phone a friend, ask the audience or 50/50 to hep you decide what to do when you is on a motorbike... you have to make your own decisions... What you gog to do at a T-Junction with a 45tonn artic bearing down on you while you wonder whether to pull out before or after? pull out your smart phone, take a picture and post a poll on here, asking what we'd do?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 08 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally waited until I turn 24 before taking the tests, although I had a considerably shorter time to wait (6 months from deciding that I was going to learn to ride. 2 months between doing my CBT and my 24th birthday).

If I were in your position, I would only consider doing A2, if you can find a decent bike and restrict it. That way, you have the potential of riding your bike to the test centre, restricted - de-restricting the bike - taking Cat A tests. Yes, this is two sets of test fees (which total £90.50 each time at present), but at least you're only paying for training, bike hire, etc. once.

If it helps, I found my riding on a 125 a valuable learning experience. The bike was very forgiving, which helped me as a complete first time rider. It may well be different from your previous experience though?

Best of luck, whatever you choose.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 09 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll get my CBT and theory done first, calculate the cost of 125 + insurance etc etc vs 600 restricted or 250 and the A2 licence.

I think if prefer the A2 though.

Another question I've got...

Does anyone have any experience of parking their bike on the street outside their house?

Connor.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 09 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
Does anyone have any experience of parking their bike on the street outside their house?

Yes, and slightly less experience of 'un-parkng' it from location left. Also of parts being removed during the night; of neighbours grumbling about pushing prams past it, or foot-pegs ripping their shopping bags, or passers but making a point to inform you its illegal to park on the pavement.
It is... as you probably already guessed, less than 'ideal'.. but some-times necessary inconvenience....
So get to the real question here...
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have the option of storing the bike in my grandparents garage about 45 mins away..
I live in the city centre in an apartment..
Not ideal obviously.
But I have a fair bit of disposable income and really want a bike. What's the deal with insurance if I get TPFT at the garages address and it gets stolen at my house if I leave it on the street for a night? Obviously locked up.

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PostPosted: 16:29 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
I do have the option of storing the bike in my grandparents garage about 45 mins away..
I live in the city centre in an apartment..
Not ideal obviously.
But I have a fair bit of disposable income and really want a bike. What's the deal with insurance if I get TPFT at the garages address and it gets stolen at my house if I leave it on the street for a night? Obviously locked up.

Connor.


When you take out insurance, you will be expected to be the registered keeper, they will then ask where the bike will 'normally' be kept. Need not be where you live.

However, it's a swings and round-abouts thing; if you have a 'remote' storage location, say a council lock-up, or you keep it at your mum's in her garage, premium may be higher for ore 'secure' storage facilty in 'remote' location, as it'll be presumed the bike will be less well attended, watched over or noticed, compared to being under your nose, under a street lamp next to your front door.

Now, if the bike is stolen,and from some-where other than where you declare it to be 'normally' kept..... can get messy.

Depends on the ins-co, and most, WILL try and find any caveot to avoid a pay-out, and if bike is stolen from anywhere other than 'place declared as normally kept' they will try and reject. Some will even put times on when they expect the bike to be stored at that location; like between 1am and 5am, or something; others will have small-print that will specifically tell you they will not honour a theft claim if the bike is stolen within 1/4 mile of normal storage location, or if not fitted with all declared security devices.

So, say you declare the bike 'garaged' and its nicked off the drive in front of the garage, cos G/F has parked her clio against the door, or has gone out for the night with garage key i her hand-bag.. they will refuse theft claim.

Under 'Social Domestic & Pleasure' use, though, it HAS to be accepted by the ins-co that the bike wont be stored at declared address EVERY night.... they cant stop you going away on Holiday, or staying over at a hotel or camp-site, or even your Girl-friends or mums... and so HAVE to accept that you 'May' park the bike outside some other address like that 'occasionally'.... if nicked under such circumstances, though, you takes your chances....

Plenty insure vehicles at their registered address, often their Mums, which has covenient low risk post code and a garage they can suggest bike's normally kept in.... but sort of fail to get home every night for one reason or another, and seem to spend most nights at their girl-freinds or some-where..... so if the Ins-Co suspect (and they are very suspicious people usually) the provision is being abused, and you are actually living elsewhere to where declared... they can dispute the claim....

Havig duel locations, like a flat and a council lock-up, then can pose a bit of a dilemah, both what to declare, and where to actually store the bike. TO WHICH I dot have much suggestion.

Personally, I tend to declare as little security as I can get away with... the use as much as I can! They cant grumble if yo have taken MORE precaution than you declared, can they? AND more precaution you take, less likely it is to go walkies.

Declaring 45minute away repte storage? Might be 'safer', migt get you a slightly lower premium; BUT, are you gong to walk for 3/4 of an hour every time yu want to use the bike? And how often are you goig to park up on the street outside your flat, anyway?

Personally I dont see much point in having a bike, to have to walk.... so, I'd be inclined to presume I would park on the street as habbit anyway, and take hit on that on insurance premium, and try and find something hard and immoveable I can chain the fucker down to when I leave it there. But, depends whether you'll be leaving it there days on end, I suppose.

Ideal is to move some-where with a garage, but life is made of compromise, so your call.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A garage definitely seems like the best option.

How much will a course cost me, if I get CBT and theory out of the way?

Connor.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 13 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connors13 wrote:
A garage definitely seems like the best option.

How much will a course cost me, if I get CBT and theory out of the way?

Connor.


f yo get your theory done first, you can often bag, CBT ito a DAS course.

CBT on it's own, with bike hire is usually in the order of £125 +/- 50

DAS Courses? Huge variance, but 3-day £500 up depending on where you are in the country & what you get in the deal; rough reckoner £180 a day training. Fresh off the stops; I wouldn't expect 3-days to be quite eough to get you from never road ridden to test standard, so I would reckon on a 5-day course, & aprox £900, plus test fees, so some-where around a rod grand. but possibly getting your CBT in that.

Call schools. rates ad deals can vary hugely, check exactly what you get in the deal, and what extra days training cost if you need more than originally booked, what repeat fees are for tests if you dont pass 1st time etc.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 14 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a great thing to do.

Anyone know of anyone good either near huddersfield or sheffield?

Connor.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 16 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Triskellion in Chesterfield for my CBT and they were top notch. The reviews they received are incredibile and ill be going back when i turn 24.
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