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PostPosted: 13:50 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: GSX-R400R GXSR 400 SP 1989 ? Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me a little about these bikes? Particularly the year model I've outlined.

One has caught my eye, and I've always had a soft spot for VFR 400 NC 30s, FZR 400s etc. the 400 class.

I forget which 400 it was but there is one I've been told to stay away from with a barge pole, hope it's not the suzuki because I rather like it looks wise.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gsxr's are always faster than anything else Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 years of thrashing and hamfisted maintenance by teenagers. That's enough to kill any bike.

There is no point looking for specific things to look out for on a particular model. By now, they will all have individual problems, many owner-inflicted and well hidden.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had a honda vfr nc30 for almost 2 years was fun at the time and handled great at the time.

but i would never get another

i much prefered my kawasaki zxr 400

the nc30 was a nightmare for anyting more than 40 miles and it had no low fuel light warning.

everything changed for the better when i got a GSXR 600 K1 Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks so engineering wise the Suzy 400 was good and didn't eat it's crank?

Another suzy that quite takes my fancy is the GSF 400 bandit circa 1992 models..

Never had a suzuki so don't know what to expect..
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PostPosted: 04:18 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm the same,I had a nc30 for a few years but I'll never get another one,unless its a track bike but even at that I'm not so sure.

I'd either go for a nc30,zxr400 and possibly a nc29 gullarm if you're really wanting a 400,and if not then I'd go for a 600.
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PostPosted: 04:30 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a cb-1 it has 95,000 miles on it runs an rides perfect never had any problems with it it's reasonably fast aswell 0-60 4 secoundsish

Have been told with the gear driven cams they last for ever


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PostPosted: 07:18 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solyent Blue wrote:
koolio wrote:
Ok thanks so engineering wise the Suzy 400 was good and didn't eat it's crank?

Another suzy that quite takes my fancy is the GSF 400 bandit circa 1992 models..

Never had a suzuki so don't know what to expect..


Bandit 400's are crap. Wouldn't have another even if it was free. Gixxer 4's are in the realms of top end wear and the odd dropped valve these days, although to be fair SRADS are no better and everyone faps over them. Mine drunk oil but none of my mates did.


crap compared to what, had mine 4 years and not been an issue really except for normal wear and tear. as with all Suzuki's the electric are the biggest issue, in particular the fuse box - they are utterly shit for some reason.

They do use all, but most 400s do. I have heard that most 400s were designed that way to help reduce piston and barrel wear due to the high RPMs.

mine currently has 60000 miles on the clock and still going strong with odd failure of random things that would be expected at that distance - last thing was the signal generator which is till readily available.
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
Solyent Blue wrote:
Bandit 400's are crap. Wouldn't have another even if it was free.


crap compared to what


Everything I have ridden.

I've had less problems on a chinese monkey bike that was stripped to its frame at a BCF BBQ.

If I wanted a reliable bike, a bike that would start, one that spares were plentiful, a fun ride, something that didn't rust...

I'd get ANYTHING other than a Bandit 400.

I do not understand why people still rave about these breakdowns on wheels. I'd rather swallow barbed wire whilst fapping to a picture of Susan Boyle using sandpaper and grinding paste as lube than own another.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dunno were you are shopping for spare, I have had no issues with them, I can even get v-valve engines complete for around £200 (heck I have 3 v-valve heads under my bed). the only time I had starting issues is when the old battery was giving up the ghost.

honestly, I don't think the bike is the issue here, but the people who make use of them and then abuse them beyond reasonable expectations. Mine get red lined most days its ridden and I have more the couple of occasions out running various 600cc machines on the back roads, this includes it 600cc brother, hornets, fazors and a likes.

Having seen how you get through bikes paddy, I am not at all surprised you didn't get on with the little thing, heck you had issue with a gs500 iirc, I bike that I owned for 5 years and the biggest issue I had was the rear damper giving up, and how many motors did you go through. to be honest I am not sure you are the best person to be giving advice on what a good bike is, not only do you not keep a machine long enough to develop a decent opinion of, but you also seem to be able to destroy and bodge the thing to high hell and back and then blame the bike for your incompetence in maintaining the thing correctly.

so that you understand the reason why people love the little 400s, its because you have to understand it and actually ride it. most bikes feel a little surgical, dethatched from the rider and road. I can always feel when I am getting close to the limit with a little twitch or a slight drifty feeling, it a bike that tells you what is going on, something that is missing from most machines.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
heck you had issue with a gs500 iirc


and J.M.
and _Iain_
and my other GS500.

I'm pretty sure GS500s are shit too.

Now making a personal insult at my lack of care and willing, go fuck yourself cunt chops.

A - I don't need to keep a bike, I can get what I want when I want. I don't have to stick to a shit peasant 400.

B - I've kept bikes for long enough, a month or two is enough to know what is shit and what is not.

C - You ride a B4, your argument is invalid.

D - Do list my bodges. I'll be thoroughly entertained if you can find more than 3 that I have done and continued to use the bike on the road, referencing to the bodge guide, you'll probably find 99% of them were not use affecting and were merely for teh lulz.

and finally...

E - Go fuck yourself Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, your funny paddy, telling me my argument is invalid is like saying your argument is invalid, heck all arguments are invalid.

also, if take a so called insult that was written on the internet other than a bunch of text that can be blatantly ignored than you really need to grow the fuck up you little pathetic girl. this is the fucking internet not a school play ground.

the fact you have whole thread dedicated to bodging speaks for itself. doesn't matter if you keep the machine you bodged or not, a bodge is still a bodge until it is repaired correctly.

further too all of that, you still have basically not given much a reason not to have one beyond a personal preference and you inability to see beyond you own self absorbent opinions. there will always be a better bike, if you got the money lay it out on a desmo or something, pretty sure you will be able to find fault with that too even at its extreme cost. the whole point is, there are faults with everything, look hard enough, there they are. its ones ability to see them as something that makes something unique and turn them to an advantage. Like the gs500, an almost bullet proof machine is great little bike for commuting on every single day, keep an eye on the oil, lube chain and other bits as required and all will be fine, 40k on one and it was still going strong with a total of 66k on the clock - you see the problem isn't the bike, but the user

so please paddy, don't right a machine if due to the fact you do not have the ability to care for it correctly, or have an inability to find the parts, or correctly carry out repairs, its not the machines fault, really it not.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cost of a Desmo aside...Have you seen the seat pad if you can call it that, might aswell put a bit of wood on it Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

its not designed to be sat on for more than a few minutes. watch he TT of NW200, heck even the moto gp were they are on a nice "smooth" tracks, they spend very little time in the seat - that the idea of desmo - failing that you have to wear those padded short things that cyclist wear, gotta wear them over your leather though so you look cool as the cyclist in lycra
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if trolling Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

GS500's are PROPER shit.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knacker wrote:
Not sure if trolling Thinking


yes I am trolling. should have been obvious with the cyclist thing
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happen to own a good bike that seems to be perfect in every way.

Pathetic little girl who can spell and string a sentence together, oh snap dawg.

The point has been missed however, OP do not buy a 400.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Happen to own a good bike that seems to be perfect in every way.

Pathetic little girl who can spell and string a sentence together, oh snap dawg.

The point has been missed however, OP do not buy a 400.


yeh ok, please feel free to take the piss out of some one ability due to being dyslexic - way to be pro.

FYI, girls tend to have better language skill then there male counter parts, so being able to string a sentence together and spell goes hand in hand with having 2 X chromosomes, so pleas continue reinforce my point
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

GS 500's are shit, the only redeeming factor is the cheapness of some spares, boring to ride, average on fuel (& oil funnily enough Rolling Eyes), average on handling and just pretty much average all round.

My RXS 100 was a little worse on fuel but made up for it in dirt cheap tyres, insurance, tax and it was every bit as *practical* as a GS 500 whilst being also fun!

*I rode it 30 miles down the motorway to Catterick last winter with gear on the back for a weekend camping as well as my 3 day a week 46 mile commute to Uni, lower top end & poor pillion abilities aside it could still do it*

As for Bandit 400's and 400's in general they are turning into a niche market with parts going up in cost, spares availability going down & the mileages going ever higher on any that are affordable, not worth it especially if your on a budget hence why I ditched my old NC23 (amongst other reasons).

Would recommend going for an older 600 instead i.e. CBR/FZR or GSXR if you really want that style.

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