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PostPosted: 13:51 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Yamaha XV535 or Kawasaki GT550 Reply with quote

Hey guys,
So I'm getting my first unrestricted 'big' bike.

I've narrowed it down to the Yamaha XV535 or Kawasaki GT550 which I've found one each with tax/MOT for around £1000.

The faster/better bike is the GT BUT bearing in mind this will be an everyday commuter with minimal maintenance being key, an under-stressed V-Twin is in favour in that sense.

If anyone has any for/against arguments for them both that would be a massive help.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The XV535 has limited tank size/range. So maybe not that much use as a commuter as you might think.

Both bikes shaft drive so that's good for low maintenance. Both are easy (ish) to work on maintenance wise.

IIRC the tyre choice is limited for the 535. Something like the Harleys in that they're imperial size. Not a deal breaker though, just limiting.

Both bikes getting a bit long in the tooth but parts still available. Both have their owners clubs too so advice can be sought.

The GT550 can take a fairing, top box and panniers (soft or hard) imo easier. The GT550 performance isn't inspiring. I never thought the IL4 got stressed at any point though. I believe GT is built with spare girders from the Forth bridge, heavy sod. It's a plodder though. You'll keep on going long after the sports rider has stopped to ease their riding position. I found the brakes not inspiring but you get used to them, anticipation is the key (or learning to ride not using the brakes, it's an accepted advanced technique you know).

I took GT550 around the east coast of Scotland. Worked well, no hassles. I couldn't get on with the 535 seat position (was a friend's). I'd say go for the GT unless you have a hankering for a cruiser style. I'm rather fond of mine (have not ridden for years, still have on sorn, it's in need of tlc, i.e. money thrown at it).

Now wait for replies that don't answer your question but suggest totally different bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The XV535 has limited tank size/range. So maybe not that much use as a commuter as you might think.

Both bikes shaft drive so that's good for low maintenance. Both are easy (ish) to work on maintenance wise.

IIRC the tyre choice is limited for the 535. Something like the Harleys in that they're imperial size. Not a deal breaker though, just limiting.

Both bikes getting a bit long in the tooth but parts still available. Both have their owners clubs too so advice can be sought.

The GT550 can take a fairing, top box and panniers (soft or hard) imo easier. The GT550 performance isn't inspiring. I never thought the IL4 got stressed at any point though. I believe GT is built with spare girders from the Forth bridge, heavy sod. It's a plodder though. You'll keep on going long after the sports rider has stopped to ease their riding position. I found the brakes not inspiring but you get used to them, anticipation is the key (or learning to ride not using the brakes, it's an accepted advanced technique you know).

I took GT550 around the east coast of Scotland. Worked well, no hassles. I couldn't get on with the 535 seat position (was a friend's). I'd say go for the GT unless you have a hankering for a cruiser style. I'm rather fond of mine (have not ridden for years, still have on sorn, it's in need of tlc, i.e. money thrown at it).


Good points there, thank you.

I like them both equally but I would do a lot more customisation on the XV to change the stock styling.
The fuel tank on the post 1994 XV's (which that one is) is 13.50 litres, which is a slight improvement.
There seems to be a love hate thing with the Virago's, to me, there's a lot of potential.

However, for a ready to ride, nice looking and fairly good performance for what I'm used to, the GT550 is tempting.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
...The fuel tank on the post 1994 XV's (which that one is) is 13.50 litres, which is a slight improvement...

The GT is ballpark 21 and a half, including reserve. So that's roughly another 1 and a half gallons. So better range, filling up less often. Although admittedly when you do you'll put more in. IIRC mine was ballpark 200 miles to reserve.

Friend with the 535 had a 40 to 50 mile round trip commute. I recall he was filling up every other day at least. On a run down to the bike show at the NEC and back he had to refuel, I didn't.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The small fuel tank is a worry but if that's the only fault, I reckon something I could live with.

Looking at the distance on the GT, it's looking like it's not worth the money anyway unless I can find one at a shorter distance.

The only other thing that caught my eye for the same price is the HONDA VT500E.
Does anyone know anything about that?
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
The only other thing that caught my eye for the same price is the HONDA VT500E.
Does anyone know anything about that?
it's from Honda's "chocolate camshaft" era, so I'd suggest that you avoid it.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's from Honda's "chocolate camshaft" era, so I'd suggest that you avoid it.


Haha I presume the shaft drive is temperamental in that case?
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
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it's from Honda's "chocolate camshaft" era, so I'd suggest that you avoid it.


Haha I presume the shaft drive is temperamental in that case?
No, the camshaft and driveshaft are totally separate. It may be the VF as opposed to the VT that's the one that had a problem with the camshaft, I don't know for definite. Either way, for a first big bike, I'd suggest something a bit more modern, just to diminish the maintenance needs a touch.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
...Now wait for replies that don't answer your question but suggest totally different bikes.

Another old shaft drive bike you might want to consider is the Kawasaki GTR1000 (sometimes advertised as Concours).

I did look at one of those a bit back but even then they appeared rare and I was thinking about maintenance and parts. I mention it as I've never come across a really bad review of them (e.g. here and here and here).

Or if you have a slightly bigger budget, say ballpark £1.5K and haggling, the likes of the NT650V Deauville may come into play. Otherwise it's predecessor the NTV650 where someone has put on a fairing and panniers (Honda just did that for you with the Deauville) might be had for original budget with a little detective work.

Best of luck with the search. Remember don't be tempted to get the first bike you see and be prepared to walk away. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably the most helpful thread I've seen on here.

I've got a viewing with the XV on Sunday and if all looks good, I will be bringing it back to start work on the old gal. I might go for the GT if this one doesn't work out.

I just can't pass up the unlimited things you can do to an XV and the understressed engine that can potter along all day.

I'll keep you updated with what I choose in the end!
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Yamaha XV535 or Kawasaki GT550 Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
Hey guys,
So I'm getting my first unrestricted 'big' bike.

I've narrowed it down to the Yamaha XV535 or Kawasaki GT550 which I've found one each with tax/MOT for around £1000.

The faster/better bike is the GT BUT bearing in mind this will be an everyday commuter with minimal maintenance being key, an under-stressed V-Twin is in favour in that sense.

If anyone has any for/against arguments for them both that would be a massive help.


Hi Smile

Those two are an unusual choices, I expect you are definite on getting one with a shaft drive hence the 535 or GT550? The GT are getting on a bit now, might need some work at that age to keep going reliably. If you are not too bothered about having chain drive there are many other options available at that price range - one of the 500 twin etc especially CB500 would fit the spec?
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Smile

Those two are an unusual choices, I expect you are definite on getting one with a shaft drive hence the 535 or GT550? The GT are getting on a bit now, might need some work at that age to keep going reliably. If you are not too bothered about having chain drive there are many other options available at that price range - one of the 500 twin etc especially CB500 would fit the spec?


Suprisingly it's not the drive shaft, just a coincidence. Tt's just that these are the only bikes I generally like the styling of in my price-range.
My friend has a CB who I ride out with all the time so wouldn't mind a different bike tbh haha Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The three bikes in question are attached here:
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:54 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about the Virago XV535, other than it has far to much chrome to clean and polish for me!

If shaft drive is not important to you, I'd sack off the average GT550, unless it says Suzuki on the tank instead.

The GT is 53bhp, heavy, basic and has outdated brakes and suspension. The shaft drive might have made it popular with Dispatch riders who must have ran most of these into the afterlife by now. But it also means you waste too much of what power you have, and on a 50odd bhp bike that's 200kg or more, it's too much IMO!

The Zepher 550 is a slow bike, but I bet it feels a fair bit quicker than the GT does!

Are you just looking very locally? I would have thought that within say a 50mile radius of where you are there would be plenty of middle weight circa 500-600cc bikes for your £1000?

More modern for a daily rider is a good attribute, and so is still getting easy parts availability and something that is plentiful second hand. The CB500/ER5/SV650/Diversion 600 etc etc are just some examples of plentiful bikes that should slot into for budget for a reasonably good one!
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:

The only other thing that caught my eye for the same price is the HONDA VT500E.
Does anyone know anything about that?


Not quite the same, but my wife had a VT250 about 12 years ago. Appears very similar. Wasn't too bad, grey import. Wife like it, was lightweight, cheap, reliable (whilst we had it). Enclosed disc brakes were hassle for maintenance. Steel frame is probably rusted to hell by now. Apparently the chap we sold the VT250 too, only got another year out of it... Doh!
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info.
The main reason I feel split between the two is for totally different reasons.

With the GT, it's a reliable, capable bike which I would use for trips/touring. I actually like the styling even though everyone thinks they're boring and with a new paint job and a play around, think it could look really nice.

With the XV, it may look like it has bike AIDs, which it probably does, but as a base frame and engine, it would be a hell of a lot of fun to tear down and turn in to something else.

I'm a fan of classic bikes so I'm aware I could get a cheap, modern, capable bike but to me, the classic bikes have a bit more heart and I personally prefer the styling.

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Yamaha XV535 or Kawasaki GT550 Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
this will be an everyday commuter with minimal maintenance being key

Will it?


tstwebdesign wrote:
I would do a lot more customisation on the XV to change the stock styling [...] I just can't pass up the unlimited things you can do to an XV

With the time you're saving by only doing "minimal maintenance"?


tstwebdesign wrote:
and the understressed engine that can potter along all day.

Alternatively, you'll be thrashing the nuts off of it to achieve the same "unstressed" performance that you'd get from (e.g.) a CB500 or Divvy 600.


tstwebdesign wrote:
as a base frame and engine, it would be a hell of a lot of fun to tear down and turn in to something else.

So, it is a reliable commuter bike, or a tinkering bike, or what?

Look, if you want to do Stockport Chopper, you don't need to justify it to anyone.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, Stockport chopper.
That actually made me laugh.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, after reading through a fair bit, I'm swaying towards the GT550.
If anyone knows of another bike that has the same classic styling as the GT, I'd appreciate the suggestions.

I'll be using it for commuting and nice little holidays so it seems like a perfect fit.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 10 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not classic styling but look at a CB500. You can mod/customise it all sorts of ways, it's cheap, goes forever, returns decent mpg, shouldn't require too much maintenance.

If you want a cruiser sack the virago it's shit and for £1k you will probably get one that's near fucked or a shitty old old one with the fake fuel tank. Double your money and look at XVS650 for a cheap cruiser.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER5? GPZ500? GS500?

All mundane as fuark & cheap as chips. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tstwebdesign wrote:
So, after reading through a fair bit, I'm swaying towards the GT550.
If anyone knows of another bike that has the same classic styling as the GT, I'd appreciate the suggestions....

Same stable, same engine, different final drive, GPZ550 is obvious comparison. Still in the Kawasaki camp newer is something like the ZR-7 for a naked look. Maybe not too far ballpark from your budget.

FWIW I got a bargain 1994 CB500 as a winter hack last November and I'm still liking it for the commute. It needs a little work now but that's just your standard consumables (dam you weaping fork seals).
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 11 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GT all the way. Watch out for grinding the exhaust join out going round corners though.

You can get a decent nick one for about 700 with a top box.
They can have carb rubber issues, but I never experienced it with 3 of them. None of mine were at less than 70k miles.
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