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PostPosted: 12:08 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Odometer woes Reply with quote

Had my shiny new YBR 125 for a few months now, and I've always thought the odometer went up a bit quick, so I asked the dealer, who assured me it's all good, and in miles.

Decided to test it over the past few weeks, and a journey I KNOW is 2.5 miles shows up on my bike as 4 miles.

2.5 miles in km is 4.... Confused So I can only assume the odometer is in km.

Does this make a big difference, really? Should I get the dealer to sort it?
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong, but I thought that you would fail your MOT if you dont show MPH in a country that measures limits in MPH? It could be a simple fix with a bit of tape showing the relevant notches, but if I had bought this brand new, I would be requesting, nay insisting, that the dealer rectified this post-haste.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Odometer woes Reply with quote

ReanimatedNerd wrote:
... 2.5 miles shows up on my bike as 4 miles.

2.5 miles in km is 4.... Confused So I can only assume the odometer is in km.

Does this make a big difference, really? Should I get the dealer to sort it?

Yes it makes a difference, more so come sale/trade in time.

What is the outer dial if the speedometer marked in.
IIRC for UK spec it should be mph with an (optional) inner one in kph.

If other way round you have an EU (as in non UK) speedo and I assume associated fittings.

Or dealer might have cocked up on delivery prep.
So get dealer to sort.
That's why you buy new isn't it, to have some sort of backup?
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it an digital or analog odo? On my er6, this is something I can change myself (digital).
The figure is obviously accurate, so there is no real reason to worry. But then again, if's new I'd want it in MPH. When you pass you test and go on to sell it, a buyer may think it's an import.

Also, if the odo is reading in KPH, is the speedo doing the same?
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be a bit concerned if you have a lot of speed cameras in your area as getting your speed accurately can be a pain, leading to possibly a fine.

What dealer did you get it from? If it's brand new then it should be under warranty (i'm guessing) so demand that the dealer check it thoroughly and replace.

The odometer should have writing on it somewhere to tell you what the speed is reading (MPH or KPH).
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Odometer woes Reply with quote

map wrote:
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... 2.5 miles shows up on my bike as 4 miles.

2.5 miles in km is 4.... Confused So I can only assume the odometer is in km.

Does this make a big difference, really? Should I get the dealer to sort it?

Yes it makes a difference, more so come sale/trade in time.

What is the outer dial if the speedometer marked in.
IIRC for UK spec it should be mph with an (optional) inner one in kph.

If other way round you have an EU (as in non UK) speedo and I assume associated fittings.

Or dealer might have cocked up on delivery prep.
So get dealer to sort.
That's why you buy new isn't it, to have some sort of backup?


Yeah, outer dial is MPH, inner is KPH. I mentioned it to them in passing, and they said they "couldn't see how it would be in km" which is why I've been testing it.

Would it be an easy fix?

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I would be a bit concerned if you have a lot of speed cameras in your area as getting your speed accurately can be a pain, leading to possibly a fine.

What dealer did you get it from? If it's brand new then it should be under warranty (i'm guessing) so demand that the dealer check it thoroughly and replace.

The odometer should have writing on it somewhere to tell you what the speed is reading (MPH or KPH).


It's under warranty, but the speedo is fine, it's just the odometer.

Unfortunately, no writing on it to tell me.


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PostPosted: 12:33 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Odometer woes Reply with quote

ReanimatedNerd wrote:
...outer dial is MPH, inner is KPH. I mentioned it to them in passing, and they said they "couldn't see how it would be in km" which is why I've been testing it.

Would it be an easy fix?

Only thing that comes to my mind is speedometer is kph version with overlay in mph and spinny thing from wheel rate set to show speed as mph. Yet internal spinny thing for odometer measuring distance is measuring in km.

If digital I'd expect it could show both/either miles or km.

Certainly a dealer thing. Put a call into trading standards and/or Yamaha.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, it's all analogue. Probably should've mentioned that Very Happy

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PostPosted: 12:36 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Odometer woes Reply with quote

ReanimatedNerd wrote:
a journey I KNOW is 2.5 miles

How?

It does seem unlikely, you'll want to be compelling in your argument.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Odometer woes Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
ReanimatedNerd wrote:
a journey I KNOW is 2.5 miles

How?

It does seem unlikely, you'll want to be compelling in your argument.


Google maps, two years of riding that journey on a pushbike, plus my girlfriend driving behind me. Mine's going up a lot faster than hers.


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PostPosted: 12:37 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speak to the dealer, tell them what you noticed (the 2.5 miles - 4km thing), allow them to take it for a spin and see for themselves.

Get it sorted under warranty, you shouldn't even be asking if it is an easy fix, the reason you bother paying the premium for a new bike is so that exactly this sort of thing gets sorted.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Speak to the dealer, tell them what you noticed (the 2.5 miles - 4km thing), allow them to take it for a spin and see for themselves.

Get it sorted under warranty, you shouldn't even be asking if it is an easy fix, the reason you bother paying the premium for a new bike is so that exactly this sort of thing gets sorted.


Thanks. The reason I ask if it's an easy fix is I live quite a way from the dealer's, don't want to have to leave it for a few days, is all.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd guess factory error at the Chinese Jianshe factory that knocked it out. Lots of Chinese made bikes have MPH speedo's but KM odometers. More fool you for paying the premium for a "Japanese" bike if you got it with the poverty spec "Chinese" clocks.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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c_dug wrote:
Speak to the dealer,...Get it sorted under warranty,..., the reason you bother paying the premium for a new bike is so that exactly this sort of thing gets sorted.
...I live quite a way from the dealer's, don't want to have to leave it for a few days, is all.

'Phone dealer so they can book it in and know you'll be arriving. Test their customer service and after sales* and then you can name and shame/praise.

Let us know how you get on and what their diagnosis is Thumbs Up


* I mention this as a recall a certain Scottish Honda dealer couldn't be bothered to fix a rusting issue once a Honda bike had been sold.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

'Phone dealer so they can book it in and know you'll be arriving. Test their customer service and after sales* and then you can name and shame/praise.

Let us know how you get on and what their diagnosis is Thumbs Up


Will do. I've been back a few times for various things and they've always been good. They adjusted my shifter today for free, which was nice.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A km odometer is no issue if you know that's what it is. Mine is exactly the same - German market bike, imported to the UK by the first owner, speedo face replaced with genuine Yamaha UK one. Now it shows speed in mph (small kph) but counts the distance in km. It means I get 280 out of a tank of fuel. Cool

At service/MOT times I just mention it to the workshop and that's what they record on the invoice.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A km odometer is no issue if you know that's what it is.

OP didn't pay German market hooky import prices for his bike, although that's what he'll get when he sells if it's not sorted sharpish.

The dealer is going to find it hard to believe, was my point earlier, so you'll need to be quite clear and adamant on it. Bear in mind that they'll have to make the argument to Yamaha UK as well in order to get a replacement speedo, so helping them will help you.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the bright side, I bet you get fantastic mpg Wink Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, unless they can pre-set the new odometer to the correct mileage you are going to have other issues.

Either they fix it so it reads MPH but don't adjust the mileage to suit, in which case you lose out on the bikes mileage by a couple of thousand miles, which may or may not hurt the wallet come sale time.

Or they replace it with a brand new 0 mile odometer, which might even be illegal? Doctoring the mileage to a lower figure or something?

It isn't really just a case of changing the odometer, at least not if you/they want to do it properly.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
...replace it with a brand new 0 mile odometer, which might even be illegal? Doctoring the mileage to a lower figure or something?...

No, not illegal.
Paperwork, service history will show odometer replaced at xxx km.
Dealer should record against bike.

However, on sale time up to seller to disclose or if buyer asks then should answer honestly.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The thing is, unless they can pre-set the new odometer to the correct mileage you are going to have other issues.

Either they fix it so it reads MPH but don't adjust the mileage to suit, in which case you lose out on the bikes mileage by a couple of thousand miles, which may or may not hurt the wallet come sale time.

Or they replace it with a brand new 0 mile odometer, which might even be illegal? Doctoring the mileage to a lower figure or something?

It isn't really just a case of changing the odometer, at least not if you/they want to do it properly.


Speedo cable plugged into electric drill and give it a spin?

Most newer speedos won't wind back, but you're wanting to wind it in the correct direction to give the bike the correct millage it has actually done.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randomlyhad bikes whose oOdo's read kilometres and speedo read miles


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PostPosted: 16:47 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randomlyhad bikes whose oOdo's read kilometres and speedo read miles


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PostPosted: 18:10 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or they replace it with a brand new 0 mile odometer, which might even be illegal? Doctoring the mileage to a lower figure or something?

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It is not even illegal to clock the mileage.

What is against the regulations is to sell it stating the figure in correct.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 25 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, still surely just makes it a PITA to sell in future. I guess a Honda headed letter would easy any worries of a potential buyer.
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