Grandfather Rights...

[Tracer1234]

Hi, So a friend of my old man is getting back on a bike, BUT, has no CBT.

He seems to think he can ride a 125 on grandfather rights. But after having a good look, im sure that he is only allowed to ride a 50cc.

Can anyone clarify this for me?

Thank you

[Ste]

He can ride a 50cc ped without doing CBT assuming he passed his driving test before February 2001.

https://www.gov.uk/cbt-compulsory-basic-training/cbt-if-you-have-a-car-driving-licence

[mentalboy]

Did he ever take a bike test? If he has no bike classifications on his licence then, yes, he'll be needing a CBT for a 125. I too am under the impression that all he would be able to ride without is a 50
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[Ariel Badger]

He needs a CBT for a 125.
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[Teflon-Mike]

If his provisional was issued prior to 1982 125 laws; and he has never 'updated it' he was granted provisional M/C entitlement util his 70'th birthday....

If his provisional was issued after 1982, then you had to 'opt in' on the application to obtain provisional M/C entitlement, and it was valid ONLY for two years. If you passed the car licence within that period, provisional M/C entitlement was extended, as before until 70.

BUT If he did NOT have provisional M/C entitlement on his licence when he passed his car test, either because he never opted in, or the entitlement was out of date, then he would NOT have been awarded perpetual provisional M/C entitlement...

From 1990 'ish' CBT came into force, and provisional entitlement was placed on the licence for duration of licence again, BUT only if 'Validated' by CBT cert.

But, what ever the grandad rights may be.... if he reckons he might have some... he ent ever got a licece, and he ent ridden (Legally) for a heck of a long time.... he s a LEARNER... so why not stop stupid questions before they get asked, by pedantic plod or daft insurance companies, and just do the bludy lesson, its hardly like the entry exam for the Krypton factor....he might actually enjoy it,and may even learn something from it.... like how much a DAS course will cost him, after some-one at the school has let him sit on an ER6 or something.
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[Tracer1234]

Thank you everyone, I agree that he may as well just do the CBT anyway.

Not sure of this photo of his licence changes anything?

[_Iain_]

I read that licence as category A entitlement (I.e motorcycle) as of 2013.

Therefore he could quite legally go and hop on an R1

Edit, spotted 79(tri) - Call DVLA and check what that code means.
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[monkeybiker]

Regardless of what the law states he could ride I would recommend he get some lessons. The roads are busy now and he needs to be safe.

[Musketeer]

[_Iain_]

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[matto]

[sidewinder]

My old man recons his license allows him to ride up to a 250cc.he did get it in the 60's though

[Wonko The Sane]

[Tracer1234]

Yep, I shall let him know he needs to do his CBT. Will he listen, probably not.

Thank you all.

[andyscooter]

[Rogerborg]

Wasn't that the provisonaL category then? So he never actually got a license.

Tef was probably going a bit senile by then, but he might remember the situation.
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