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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

Do you allow this?
I see plenty of adverts saying full asking price in hand before test riding, but wouldn't that be hard to enforce?
So far I've sold 2 bikes and let both test ride them. The first one the guy bombed it up and down the street with no helmet, ended up buying the bike.
Second one pulled away off the drive and came about half a metre from a raised curb, wobbled and straightened it out in time, also bought it.
Just what can you do if they do bin it?
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:

I see plenty of adverts saying full asking price in hand before test riding, but wouldn't that be hard to enforce?



Why?

Can I test ride it? sure, let me hold the money you are going to buy it with while you ride it.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Do you allow this?
I see plenty of adverts saying full asking price in hand before test riding, but wouldn't that be hard to enforce?


Well you have the keys & the bike. The only way that they could test the bike is if they get the keys off you....

I guess its how stupid you are then Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what Chris-Red said..

IMO you also need a covering letter that states they have arranged insurance, have a relevant licence etc & are insured for the purpose.

And that they are riding it from (TIME/Date) incase of any speed cameras etc.

Also test rides under the condition that if it is dropped the bike is bought for full asking price.

Signed : Mr test rider.

They drop it, they pay for it. No test rides without full cash in hand.

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just what can you do if they do bin it?


surely you have heard the phrase "You bin it, You buy it"

if they bin you keep the cash, simple as that.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was allowed a test ride for a private sale once. Didn't hand over cash, seller asked to keep hold of my driving licence and passport (asked to provide before I got there).

However, it was a BMW and as we all know, only real gentlemen ride BMWs (it's a no cads allowed club old boy).
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was fortunate the last time I sold a bike because the guy turned up without any gear to see it on his way home from work. He sat on it, and bought it. I am pretty careful when selling, I ask for cash in my hand and proof that they're insured for it before they go out.

The last time I bought a bike, I left my car key with the chap instead of a pile of cash. It wouldn't have helped the guy if I'd binned it, but he at least knew I wouldn't nick it.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my CBF125, the bloke (who was a bike mechanic) let me take it for a test ride without any cash in hand, no ID, nothing. And on top of that it was a very icy November morning! This was silly on his part - if I binned it I could have just run off.

When selling bikes, I've let people ride them round the block, with asking price in my hand. Never bothered with signed waivers or anything.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last guy i bought from wanted the keys to my £4k car for a £1k bike... Erm, no you can hold the cash thanks!
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
EazyDuz wrote:
Do you allow this?
I see plenty of adverts saying full asking price in hand before test riding, but wouldn't that be hard to enforce?


Well you have the keys & the bike. The only way that they could test the bike is if they get the keys off you....

I guess its how stupid you are then Laughing


By enforcing it I mean if he handed the cash, rode it and binned it. Are you legally allowed to keep his money if it got to extremes and called the police etc. He obviously would refuse to sign the v5 so the damaged bike will be in your name with a wad of cash he wants back
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:


By enforcing it I mean if he handed the cash, rode it and binned it. Are you legally allowed to keep his money if it got to extremes and called the police etc. He obviously would refuse to sign the v5 so the damaged bike will be in your name with a wad of cash he wants back


If you have got them to sign the break-it-buy-it, speed-it-pay-it waiver then pretty straight forwards I imagine.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
IMO you also need a covering letter that states they have arranged insurance, have a relevant licence etc & are insured for the purpose.

Useful only as mitigation. They are, or they are not: belief is not a defence.

If they are, then they'll be able to produce a license and certificate of insurance that says that they are. Take a picture so that you have their details in case of...


bikertomm wrote:
And that they are riding it from (TIME/Date) incase of any speed cameras etc.

In principle yes. In practice, just fingering them with a picture of their license / insurance should produce a reasonable doubt.

Personally, I've given test rides on everything that I've sold to decent chaps who who had read the ad and were clearly interested. If I held out for "cash in hand or GTFO" then I think I'd have had a harder time of it.

I guess it comes down to whether you want it away, or you're a "pride and joy, very reluctant sale, first to see will buy, no tyre kickers NO TIME WASTERS!!!!!!" seller.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:

By enforcing it I mean if he handed the cash, rode it and binned it. Are you legally allowed to keep his money if it got to extremes and called the police etc. He obviously would refuse to sign the v5 so the damaged bike will be in your name with a wad of cash he wants back


Read the top line.

https://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/uploads/1293145179/gallery_1537_194_136804.jpg

You'll already have his details and a signed agreement to purchase if he bins it, so you just knock up a receipt and there you go. If he doesn't want to sign the V5, that's fine - there's no requirement for him to sign if you notify DVLA with a letter instead of the V5. Just follow the "if you don't have a V5" bit here: https://www.gov.uk/notifying-dvla-if-you-sell-your-vehicle
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

The Disapproving Brit wrote:
EazyDuz wrote:

By enforcing it I mean if he handed the cash, rode it and binned it. Are you legally allowed to keep his money if it got to extremes and called the police etc. He obviously would refuse to sign the v5 so the damaged bike will be in your name with a wad of cash he wants back


Read the top line.

https://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/uploads/1293145179/gallery_1537_194_136804.jpg

You'll already have his details and a signed agreement to purchase if he bins it, so you just knock up a receipt and there you go. If he doesn't want to sign the V5, that's fine - there's no requirement for him to sign if you notify DVLA with a letter instead of the V5. Just follow the "if you don't have a V5" bit here: https://www.gov.uk/notifying-dvla-if-you-sell-your-vehicle


You already have his details, just get someone else (the missus) to fill in the V5 for him and send it off. DVLA don't know its not his handwriting and signature.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last bike I bought, the chap gave me a ride as pillion. Seemed a good compromise. Eliminated a whole pile of risk for the seller, saved me hassle of pulling all the cash out on first visit, and I still got a pretty good idea of how well it ran.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

it depends on how the conversation goes, and confideence in the buyer, I had a fruit cake indian kid turn up to look at my R6, no helmet, no money, plenty of bullshit, I refused him a ride, every time i went back in the house I armed the immobiliser, locked the steering and took the keys, he eventually wanted to ride it down the drive to some garages, I knew he was going to try and ride off on it so I told him no, he said his sister would come over with the money and his helmet if he was happy with the ride, I said no feckin way, he then asked me how he was going to get home, I said call your sister to collect you, which she couldn't so I took him to the end of the street pointed towards the train station and told him to walk there, feck off and don't come back, and pointed out that the bike didn't live at the house and was garaged elsewhere in case he intended coming back for it at 3am
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arfa__ wrote:
Last bike I bought, the chap gave me a ride as pillion. Seemed a good compromise. Eliminated a whole pile of risk for the seller, saved me hassle of pulling all the cash out on first visit, and I still got a pretty good idea of how well it ran.


They he can ride round any problems it has. e.g. Yamaha's of a certain vintage pop out of second gear under hard acceleration, did he rag it from first to second with you on the back?
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tricky one - depends on how 'upstanding' the potential buyer looks. If he is a southerner with a 4x4, thick neck, tatoos and bling I wouldn't let him. If however he is local and leaves his licence plus sister/mum/grandma behind with you to discuss Bakeoff whilst he has a go, fair enough...

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PostPosted: 19:55 - 01 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went with someone to look at and buy a bike, was left stood chatting with the owner while my mate test rode it, nothing left with the owner while he took it for a test.

Took my instructor with me to buy my bike as I'd never really ridden anything bigger than a 125 and I was under restriction

Again, nothing left with owner other than me standing chatting.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:

You already have his details, just get someone else (the missus) to fill in the V5 for him and send it off. DVLA don't know its not his handwriting and signature.


Very true, but if he's a cock who makes a big deal of it, you have forged his signature on a V5, which is probably a bad thing. Write a letter instead and there's no need for his consent.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would normally say 'cash in hand' but it depends on the buyer.

The bloke who bought my Explorer got out of his car and said, 'Ah my new bike, can I have a test ride? I'll leave the missus here with the cash!'

I just knew he was going to buy it. He did. Didn't even haggle and paid what I had asked for.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: letting buyer test ride your bike? Reply with quote

The Disapproving Brit wrote:
you have forged his signature on a V5

Then don't bother signing it. There's no way for you to force a new keeper to do so anyway. You've fulfilled your obligation.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I don't let anyone test anything. They can look at the bike, documentation, ask questions - but from there its upto them. Even cash in hand I wouldn't want to risk the aggro of someone dropping, crashing, getting pulled over; then coming back starting some attempt to say it was a mechanical fault with the bike and any number of other excuses to start argueing about 'refunds'. Then theres the whole letting them ride un-insured business to potentially cause more problems.

Shifted by last two bikes fairly easily with ad's saying no test rides.
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