Competing with other people on the road

[barrkel]

This isn't specifically about bikes, but I believe it's very relevant to riding:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/01/driver-crash-killing-three-women-jailed

The driver was sentenced to 12 and a half years for "egging people on"; he didn't crash or collide with anyone, but his driving encouraged other people to drive faster, and he was judged responsible for other drivers subsequently crashing.

I'm not sure I wholly agree with the severity of the sentence, since he himself didn't collide with anyone, but the chap does seem to be talented at encouraging others to speed, on two separate occasions resulting in injury or death.
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[Conzar]

What about undercover police that goad people into having a play to nick them afterwards.
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[rideslikean00...]

Sure sure, the guy is irresponsible for speeding around like that. But excuse me, is the article saying he's to blame for making the other driver speed in the Fiat just because he was speeding? Far as we are told, it's not like he was winding his windows down, shouting at other cars he was overtaking to goad them, unless I missed something. If someone speeds past you and you decide to speed to catch them, then it's on you. Two wrongs don't make a right, all that crap. He's an idiot for hooning around like that, the idiot who tries to catch him an even bigger idiot.
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[iooi]

[barrkel]

It's a philosophical question: can you cause anyone with free will to do anything?

We generally accept that minors and the insane aren't responsible for their actions, but most of the law is predicated on the idea that the person committing an act is responsible for it.

This case sets a precedent, on the road, for being responsible for other people's decisions.

In a situation where you e.g. cause another vehicle to take evasive action, and they subsequently crash, sure, you're responsible. You created a situation where a collision would occur - the other driver simply chose a course that resulted in a different collision. But to my mind the offence here isn't causing someone else to act, it's creating a situation where a collision is likely.

How do you cause someone else to speed at 77mph in a 30 zone?

I mean, there's no doubt the guy was dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads for a very long time, most 30 zone roads aren't clear enough of potential hazards in the reaction + braking distance for 70+mph driving. I'd support him being put in jail for that, specifically. But responsible for other people's decisions?
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[Knacker]

If I see another bike and as long as I get in front of it at all costs I see no reason to compete with other Road users
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[_Iain_]

Remove all the irrelevant details and stuff that can't be proved and you're left with;

[evoboy]

'Parker drove up too close behind Learoyd, making her speed up.'

Tailgating then.

It doesn't state in what way he overtook either.
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[Tracey Suntan-King]

Absolutely baffling. I'd bet my pocket money he'll win his appeal or get the sentence reduced.

He's obviously an idiot but what he did pales compared to that guy in the 4x4 who killed the girl on her moped, drove off, left her to die, lied then lied again to save his sorry ass. Someone remind me please, it was a much shorter sentence than this wasn't it?

And that guy is a complete cnut as opposed to a bit of one
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[matto]

[iooi]

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[Val]

[DieselASFC]

He can appeal the length of the sentence though. Seems very harsh when compared to most convictions for drivers that cause deaths on the road.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/death_by_dangerous_driving/

Guidelines for racing seem to indicate 4-7 years. Of course I'm not even close to an expert, but I suppose they could've put him in level 1 for some reason or other.

[Rogerborg]

Hang on...

[Wull]

What an ugly looking fuck he is,by the shape of that head he's been in a fair few accidents I reckon!
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[Andy_Pagin]

I suspect understanding the sentence based on a short newspaper report is impossible. How often do sentences like this get handed out even to a driver who directly causes an accident? Hardly ever. The whole of the evidence presented by the CPS must have been incredibly damning to warrant twelve years. Also it's an established principle underpinned by some 19th century legislation that if you encourage someone to commit an offence then you are as guilty as they are ("let him have it Chris" for example).
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[advocator]

He admitted guilt to three counts of causing death by dangerous driving, CPS guidelines for level 2 offence (racing) is 4-7 years https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/death_by_dangerous_driving/

Looks like he pretty much got the minimum!

[chris-red]

Guy is clearly a tool but I don't think he is responsible for the actions of the other guy. As everybody's mum would say "If Jak Parker jumped off a cliff would you?"
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[MC]

Why did he admit those charges. That's just ridiculous, obviously he's an idiot but the other people chose to race him and killed/injured someone.

Another thing, the woman had a black box in the car and did that speed?
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