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PostPosted: 08:47 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Yamaha R6 Reply with quote

Been looking at these lately the model from 08 onwards. But all you hear about is how bad they are as a road bike. Is that just a bit of a myth or are the ergos etc that bad?
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just as bad on a road as a ZX#R, CBR###RR Daytona, etc.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Define bad.

As to the ergonomics of the R6, some people find the riding position puts too much weight on their wrists and so it can be uncomfortable. The only way to find out if this is the case for you is is to sit on various different bikes and get some test rides.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Define bad.

As to the ergonomics of the R6, some people find the riding position puts too much weight on their wrists and so it can be uncomfortable. The only way to find out if this is the case for you is is to sit on various different bikes and get some test rides.


I know you know this but I'll write it for the OP's benefit... this is a common problem with most sports/supersports type bikes which pitch the rider over the tank... some people like it, some don't. Makes it easier to shift your position for leaning into corners, thinner seat and crouched angle not so good for long distance touring though.

OP, you don't say what you want the R6 for. Commuting, touring, track days, bit of weekend fun? Cos I wouldn't want an R6 or R1 as an every day bike, but as a track bike they'd both be awesome.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pegs are really high, i'd find a R1 easier for the road you can just leave it in one gear most of the journey.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conzar wrote:
Pegs are really high, i'd find a R1 easier for the road you can just leave it in one gear most of the journey.


this. A sporty 600 is too 'revvy' for me. At least with a litre super sports you get a good amount of low down power.

tl;dr: get a fireblade
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an R6 for an everyday bike, having had an er6f and ridden a triumph 955i for a couple weeks I can happily say I prefer the R6 in everyway. It does everything I ask of it including riding around Europe, i can see how it wouldn't be for everyone but it fits my needs perfectly, so much fun to ride and capable of keeping me comfortable while riding 12 hours a day.
As for hard on the wrists, i have one completely buggered wrist and with the addition of the cramp buster to the bike it never bothers me at all.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would only be for weekend hooning and track days. But i wouldn't mind being able to ride it for a few hours. Which is something I really struggle with at the moment with the kawasaki.

Honda I had was fine you could ride a few hours on that no problem
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

henry hoover wrote:
It would only be for weekend hooning and track days. But i wouldn't mind being able to ride it for a few hours. Which is something I really struggle with at the moment with the kawasaki.


Did they change much in the riding position with the 636 ? My J1 feels pretty comfortable. To be honest, I was surprised as being 6' I thought that meant a sports style bike was not going to work. However, I have pretty long arms which means I can still sit pretty upright if I wish. Only got wrist discomfort on day 1 and since then all is good.

Obvious question is why you switched from the CBR to the ZX6R in the first place?
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I binned the 600rr on the track so i changed to the kawasaki. Although they are good bikes I've never really got on with it.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

rideslikean00b wrote:
I know you know this but I'll write it for the OP's benefit... this is a common problem with most sports/supersports type bikes which pitch the rider over the tank... some people like it, some don't.

More so with the R6 than with other sports bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're set up pretty stiff from std so a fiddle with the suspension will have them working better on the road.

They are a bit more aggressive with regards to the riding position but that's what its all about.

If you're gonna cramp up easily then steer well clear but if not get one and go fucking mental!
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're set up pretty stiff from std so a fiddle with the suspension will have them working better on the road.

They are a bit more aggressive with regards to the riding position but that's what its all about.

If you're gonna cramp up easily then steer well clear but if not get one and go fucking mental!
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flat, high, angled seat and very sparsely upholstered too. The clipons are also angled in more than any other bike I've rode too.

Superb bikes and easily the fastest 600 top end. Sadly totally gutless low down. Unlike the rest of the 600s it has a proper (pink) powerband. Not much fun when you're not on it, great fun for the other 10% of the time.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conzar wrote:
Pegs are really high, i'd find a R1 easier for the road you can just leave it in one gear most of the journey.


I'm in the same position, but looking at a newish 600rr - I think.

I currently ride a 2012 CBR600F, which is a good bike - but I'm looking for more excitement and something quicker.

I don't mind the riding position, I rode an NC30 and din't have wrist problems, although that bike was smaller.

However, should I just jump to the Fireblade? Would I be disappointed with a 600 where I need to change gear more to get peak power?

The cost isn't too much of an issue, so happy to pay more for a litre bike. However as I've only been riding 2 years* I feel like I need to progress up the scale of bike power rather than jumping to a blade.

*Done over 12k miles, got rid of chicken strips and can keep up with the rest of em if it weren't for hitting the rev limiter!
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BakesBeans wrote:
Conzar wrote:
Pegs are really high, i'd find a R1 easier for the road you can just leave it in one gear most of the journey.


I'm in the same position, but looking at a newish 600rr - I think.

I currently ride a 2012 CBR600F, which is a good bike - but I'm looking for more excitement and something quicker.

I don't mind the riding position, I rode an NC30 and din't have wrist problems, although that bike was smaller.

However, should I just jump to the Fireblade? Would I be disappointed with a 600 where I need to change gear more to get peak power?

The cost isn't too much of an issue, so happy to pay more for a litre bike. However as I've only been riding 2 years* I feel like I need to progress up the scale of bike power rather than jumping to a blade.

*Done over 12k miles, got rid of chicken strips and can keep up with the rest of em if it weren't for hitting the rev limiter!


I've also been riding a couple of years but I'm reluctant to get a litre bike yet. I've ridden one and they are pretty awesome but where do you go after you've had a 1000. You won't be disappointed with a 600rr if they came with a slipper clutch i wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BakesBeans wrote:
However, should I just jump to the Fireblade? Would I be disappointed with a 600 where I need to change gear more to get peak power?


Depends on the 600 I guess, obviously there's more to it than just engine size. For example, the XJ-6 has a detuned version of the R6 engine, so there's that similarity, but the differences abound beyond that, very different riding posture for example.

Though the XJ-6 is modest in terms of power delivery for a 600, I very rarely go full throttle with it. If I want faster power delivery it's usually just a case of dropping down a few gears and winding it open, apparently there's still enough on tap to wheelie but I'm not ready to test that theory.

Anyway what I'm saying is, riding style comes into it. If you push a good 600 hard enough there should be more than enough power, as mentioned it'll probably be more revvy than a thou would be but personally right now that works for me, maybe it'll work for you too.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, the 636 you have is the better road bike.

The latest R6 is quite dominant on track as its ergonomics are perfect for it. Even me at 6'4 and 18st fully kitted find it easy to climb around on track.

It does lack any power below 10krpm though.

1000cc bikes make better road bikes. You will never make use of all the performance available, but, they are easier to live with for everyday use.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never got the "1000cc better than 600cc on the road" argument.. Maybe if you do a lot of motorway miles, but outside of that I would personally always go for the lower CC.

With regards to comfort on the R6, don't worry about it after a few rides your body will get used to it.
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PostPosted: 05:06 - 08 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it depends on riding style.

I've had both,and others for the road and I must admit I equally enjoyed riding the tits off the 600 but I pretty much did the same with the thou.

But when you're taking it slightly easy,warp factor 1.5 then the thou was probably the better bike,not as many gear changes and when the time came to overtake it was piss easy.

I'd happily have either or,for the moment the 9r will have to do.
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