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SandTiger
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PostPosted: 06:46 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Finance Reply with quote

So last weekend, I attempted to get finance on a bike. (0% don't panic) However, having never registered for the voters roll before, and having only just moved in to my new flat, and then registering for it, when the credit company went to find me, they couldn't. So I was declined.

Got a letter in the post yesterday, saying that I had now been accepted to the voters roll, and I would be updated to it on the 1st of December. Was wondering if the credit people will have any of those details before the 1st of December? To prove I am where I say I am, so I can retry it asap.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably not to be honest, to start building up a credit rating, the best bit of advice I was given was to get a credit card from my bank and every other week put 20 quids worth of fuel in my car with it, then pay it off the card 2 days later. Keep doing that for a few months and you will have a good credit rating.
If you keep applying for credit every couple of months that will knock your rating down and make it harder to get credit.
You just have to be really careful when doing the credit card method because they will put your limit up quite quickly and it's easy enough to think I will just put this, that and that on my card and pay it off. Things can get way out of hand. Use it once then put it in a drawer for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately this won't get your bike now but by spring when the new bikes are coming out and the sales are on, you should be in a good position then.
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjums wrote:
Probably not to be honest, to start building up a credit rating, the best bit of advice I was given was to get a credit card from my bank and every other week put 20 quids worth of fuel in my car with it, then pay it off the card 2 days later. Keep doing that for a few months and you will have a good credit rating.
If you keep applying for credit every couple of months that will knock your rating down and make it harder to get credit.
You just have to be really careful when doing the credit card method because they will put your limit up quite quickly and it's easy enough to think I will just put this, that and that on my card and pay it off. Things can get way out of hand. Use it once then put it in a drawer for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately this won't get your bike now but by spring when the new bikes are coming out and the sales are on, you should be in a good position then.


Sounds like a kind of good idea, though yes, I am very nervous when it comes to credit cards. I did get a letter from the credit people whilst at the store too, they did say that I had been declined not because of my credit rating, but just because they couldn't find me. I guess that means they would've happily agreed to it.

I was planning on getting a phone contract, but due to the voters roll, could not even do that. Apparently paying my insurance monthly doesn't count towards a good credit rating either. What a load of shit.
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being on the electoral role is a must. You just won't get credit now if you aren't.

Once you have that go for the easy things to get -
phone contract.
Bank account, I presume you have a normal current account with debit card?
Credit card(if necessary one of these ones for people with bad credit. Yes, it will be 39% interest but if you pay it all off at the end of the month it won't matter.

Then it's just a matter of waiting. Use Experian free to check your rating, just remember to cancel it before the months up or you will pay about £50 a year.
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your credits good then just hold out till December and apply again, just stop applying for things now as that will damage your credit rating.
I know it's a pain waiting 2 months for things to update but will be hopefully worth it.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Being on the electoral role is a must. You just won't get credit now if you aren't.


I've got a mobile phone, credit card & motorcycle on finance all without being on the electrol roll, depends on the company I guess.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Then it's just a matter of waiting. Use Experian free to check your rating, just remember to cancel it before the months up or you will pay about £50 a year.


Slightly OT, but if you use www.noddle.co.uk they are a genuinely free for life site for checking/keeping an eye on your credit report, get all their info from same place as Experian, just slightly more summarised. Been using them years.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattyfattyboomboom wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Being on the electoral role is a must. You just won't get credit now if you aren't.


I've got a mobile phone, credit card & motorcycle on finance all without being on the electrol roll, depends on the company I guess.


I wouldn't mind betting you are. Even if its from your parents registering you when you lived with them. Check on noddle/experian. It will tell you.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dannygee wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

Then it's just a matter of waiting. Use Experian free to check your rating, just remember to cancel it before the months up or you will pay about £50 a year.


Slightly OT, but if you use www.noddle.co.uk they are a genuinely free for life site for checking/keeping an eye on your credit report, get all their info from same place as Experian, just slightly more summarised. Been using them years.


I use this through Halifax. Very good and free!
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't do finance. I never buy anything I can't afford to buy. I think its a good mind-set to have. IMO. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dannygee wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

Then it's just a matter of waiting. Use Experian free to check your rating, just remember to cancel it before the months up or you will pay about £50 a year.


Slightly OT, but if you use www.noddle.co.uk they are a genuinely free for life site for checking/keeping an eye on your credit report, get all their info from same place as Experian, just slightly more summarised. Been using them years.



Just signed up to that, cheers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
I don't do finance. I never buy anything I can't afford to buy. I think its a good mind-set to have. IMO. Thumbs Up


I use 0% finance offers despite having enough cash in my bank account. It's nice having the cash in my possession if I need it for something else.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the noodle credit check i just signed up
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
I don't do finance. I never buy anything I can't afford to buy. I think its a good mind-set to have. IMO. Thumbs Up

It's a fine mindset, but it has drawbacks.

Most people can't save up enough money to buy a house until old age. A mortgage can make sense.

If you get a 0% finance offer, and know you will never miss a payment or otherwise trigger any penalty clauses, then it's effectively money moved through time. It's like getting your wages from the future, today. And to the degree that inflation affects you, it's actually more valuable to take the offer than to pay up front.

That's really what lending is about. Moving consumption relative to income in time. Any time where you know about big costs that come before corresponding income, it can make sense to borrow. For example, when I left college, I took out a loan to cover rent deposit, some furnishing and a new PC, just as I took a new job. I had a reliable income from the job, but no savings. It didn't make sense to wait for several months, incrementally buying things and struggling to commute from far away until I could afford the deposit.

Financing regular outgoings via credit is a mug's game, unless it's something like a credit card to protect against counterparty risk. Similarly, aspirational purchases you can't really afford, is usually just an expensive way of renting something until you have to sell it again to pay back the loan.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Noddle at the moment it's a tenner off their credit score reader-thing. It's normally 30 quid but it's 20 at the moment and it shows your actual score for the whole year.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
mattyfattyboomboom wrote:

I've got a mobile phone, credit card & motorcycle on finance all without being on the electrol roll, depends on the company I guess.


I wouldn't mind betting you are. Even if its from your parents registering you when you lived with them. Check on noddle/experian. It will tell you.


Already checked before applying for the credit .....
https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/matt1chelski/2014-10-09155657_zps7ae90081.jpg

Not on any electoral roll anywhere.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjums wrote:
to start building up a credit rating, the best bit of advice I was given was to get a credit card from my bank and every other week put 20 quids worth of fuel in my car with it, then pay it off the card 2 days later. Keep doing that for a few months and you will have a good credit rating..


Thats laughable.

Might be better to wait and use the interest free credit period and then set up a FULL direct debit to pay it off.
Things change and someone using a credit card like that now is likely to flag something up.

Also the info that the like of Experian give you (999 credit score) means jack shit to any financial institution. Most rely on their own credit scoring Thumbs Up

mattyfattyboomboom. While you will/may get credit. It will be at a more increased rate.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I use 0% finance offers despite having enough cash in my bank account. It's nice having the cash in my possession if I need it for something else.

Like paying off a loan? Thinking

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PostPosted: 17:14 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once told that the better the deal the harder it is to get....Hence sometimes if you apply for a certain deal they come back and say you can't have that one but can have another at a higher rate.

Like others have said, you need to check your credit rating and then take advice from the likes of Moneysavingexpert as to how to improve it if needs be.

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunately it does not work so fast. Believe me I do a software for credit checks.

All lenders use the information from few credit rating information agencies to get information about you like who you are and are you on electoral register, do you have any defaults, missed payments on current loans/credit cardss/mortagges, other arrears or say court orders. Each agency do their own caredit rating. The lenders get all the available information about your credit history from credit agencies - thing like how many loans/credit cards you have currently and in the past. They also get the credit ratings. Getting the information is called search.

Based on all that each lender uses its own rating calculated on all the above plus some lender specific algorithms which they decide will do them more money.

For example some lender may look for people that tend not to pay off in full say credit card debts if the risk is acceptable that means this guy will pay more interest right?

I would start first with free credit rating checks tools like https://www.checkmyfile.com/ this will give you some idea about how good is your general credit rating, no guarantuee that you will get credit at all.

Carefull with how often you apply for credit/loan. The problem is that each time you apply for loan there is credit search recorded with all credit rating agencies, search like the one you have for applying for loan but not getting it, is very bad for your rating. All credit searches are part of credit rating calculations and if you do many searches your credit rating from excellent say 900 with Experian with say 6-7 searches (loan applications) can become bad say 300. The lower your rating with credit agencies the higher interest from lenders for loan/credit. Credit searches have expiration means if you do not search for laon say about 6 months the older searches are not calculated. General rule of thumb is if you do not want to ruin your rating do not do more then 2-3 searches (loan applications) in 6 month timeframe.

Means hold your horses for few months do not apply so that there are no searches and check your rating before you apply next time.

Read the small print there you will find which is actualy the lender. Most motorcycle vendors use few lenders like Black Horse and Santander. Usually they have very relaxed lending policy that means something major is on your credit records. Like Electoral registration. One also very important thing is how long you have lived on your current address. It is good if it is more then 3 years. It is very important you check with all 3 major agencies that they have the correct address information for you. If there is something wrong you can contact the credit rating agency and ask them to fix it.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


Thats laughable.

Might be better to wait and use the interest free credit period and then set up a FULL direct debit to pay it off.
Things change and someone using a credit card like that now is likely to flag something up.
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How's it laughable?
And what is it likely to flag up? I still use my credit card like that, have done for quite a few years now and my credit rating is bloody good.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 09 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

mattyfattyboomboom. While you will/may get credit. It will be at a more increased rate.


Indeed that may well be true, I was just disagreeing with the statement 'you cant get credit unless you're on the electoral roll' Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:13 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjums wrote:


How's it laughable?
And what is it likely to flag up? I still use my credit card like that, have done for quite a few years now and my credit rating is bloody good.


The whole point of a credit card is the fact you do not have to pay back what you spend for say 56 days.
So doing what you are doing is stupid... You are losing the one good point of a credit card... The interest free period.

There are many factors that get you a good credit rating (which is no guarantee that you will get a loan) Not just simply paying a credit card off.
The likes of Experian love to peddle their wares that knowing your credit score helps you get a loan....
It does not.... That figure they give you means jack shit and it is not anything that a lender will ever see.
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PostPosted: 04:35 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So to get back to the OP's question, I doubt that they'll be able to see your details until December 1st. There is, however, no harm in contacting the finance company in question and asking them if they will accept your letter as proof.
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PostPosted: 07:08 - 10 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
I don't do finance. I never buy anything I can't afford to buy. I think its a good mind-set to have. IMO. Thumbs Up


But being able to afford the loan is pretty much the same thing. And assuming you're not paying an insane amount on top, then you're well away.

Good call Suburban. That's what the guy at the dealer wanted to do with the first letter, but they wouldn't bite. May well do now though as it's an actual acceptence letter.
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