Motorcycle licence confusion - has something changed???

[Taught2BCauti...]

I didn't want to add this to the 'sticky' in case it's wrong, but my youngest daughter's boyfriend mentioned that he was looking forward to getting a provisional licence for his 16th birthday, and asked me if I might be selling my 125.

I told him that he can only ride a 50cc moped until he is 17, but I don't think he believed me.

I found This to show him that I was right.

I then looked at the other age choices and noticed that it said if you are 24 or over:

"You can apply for a provisional licence then learn to ride any size of motorbike."

Note that is says "learn", not "be taught", like I would expect if you could only ride whilst in radio contact with an approved instructor on a DAS course.

It also says "any size", not "any size up to 125cc" - which is what I believed up to now.

Next, it says "You’ll then need to complete compulsory basic training (CBT) and take the theory and practical tests for the kind of motorbike you want to ride within 2 years."

That seems to suggest that I can learn to ride a bike of any size for an unspecified period of time, and when I have learned to ride it, 'then' I can do a CBT - but I don't need to bother with a CBT unless I am going to take the tests, etc.

This makes perfect sense to me, but before I rush out and buy a litre-bike to put 'L' plates on, knowing my luck, I am either:
1. Reading it wrong.
2. The information is wrong.
3. There have been some changes in the licensing regulations.

I'm hoping it is 3, but I'm more confused than ever now - can anybody confirm?
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[DrSnoosnoo]

You can only legally ride a bike over 125cc with L plates if you are being followed and in radio contact with an instructor ***.

Don't be silly

Obvs if you have a licence, you don't need to be followed.
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[Copycat73]

my understandin is age 16 years = 50cc ped wit CBT till your
age 17 years up to 125cc wit the CBT
you took the CBT on the 50cc and its still valid for the 125cc
for the remainder of its validity.

Teflon will be along shortly wit a wall of text to micro micro analyse & inform.
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caveat emptor

[Taught2BCauti...]

[Taught2BCauti...]

[DrSnoosnoo]

[Copycat73]

yep and learning is done under the supervision of a DAS qualified instructor on another bike in radio contact.
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[Taught2BCauti...]

Confusion over!

I just spoke on the phone to someone at DVLA, and they confirmed that their website is wrong

They blamed it on another department (DVSA), and said they would point out the error to them.

It should say if you are 24 or over:
"You need to have a provisional licence and complete compulsory basic training (CBT) before you can ride a motorcycle up to a maximum of 125cc.

You need to pass the theory and practical tests for the kind of motorbike you want to ride within 2 years of the start date of your CBT certificate."

I can't believe the government would say something that wasn't 100% accurate!
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[Llama-Farmer]

[mase101]

You can't believe the government wouldn't say something thing that's not 100%. You must be joking, that's the basis of how they make a living, the do it every day!
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[Val]

Let me explain you how it works. UK is ruled by the rule of law.

Does not matter what it says on any site including government site like DVLA. Even it does not matter what government says. The only rule valid here is the appropriate law. Government can be wrong. In fact I have won a court case about something. Government was saying one thing I insisted they are wrong. We met in court. Guess what? I won. Surprise, surprise the Government can be wrong

What matters is the relevant law accepted by the parliament. In our case it is called Highway Code. Here is the text:

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/rules-for-drivers-and-motorcyclists---motorcycle-licence-requirements.html

7. Motorcycle licence requirements
If you have a provisional motorcycle licence, you MUST satisfactorily complete a Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) course. You can then ride a motorcycle up to 125 cc with a power output not exceeding 11 kW on the public road, with L plates (in Wales either D plates, L plates or both can be used), for up to two years. Under direct access you can practise on a motorcycle that exceeds 125 cc provided that

you meet the minimum age for the category concerned
you’re accompanied at all times by a qualified approved trainer, who is on another motorcycle and in radio contact with you
fluorescent or reflective safety clothing is worn during supervision
red L plates (D plates in Wales) are fitted and provisional licence restrictions followed.



To obtain your full motorcycle licence you MUST pass a motorcycle theory test and then a practical test.

Law MV(DL)R regs 16 & 68

I think the law is pretty clear unfortunately
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[Taught2BCauti...]

[Commuter_Tim]

I think now may be the appropriate time to change the thread title to "DVLA are dispshits"
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The above post is most likely nonsensical.

I ride a Bandit 600... badly.

[rideslikean00...]

Ah yes, what was it my instructors called one of those organisations? The Double Standards Agency?
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