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I believe that you must show some attempt to go round.
You just do the best you can, safely.
Not mentioned in op but for indicator use treat as a junction. So no need to indicate for straight on or signal left for a right turn exit, just a right.
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if you are turning right you have the right of way, remember the rule of whoever is in the roundabout has right of way - Highway code:
When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right
That basically means all vehicles in the roundabout are situated to the right side of all approaching it.
If the car is not there yet but you are already there turning right, so from the point of view of the car driver you are on his right side (in the roundabout) so the car should stop and wait for you, if the car is there means you are not in the roundabout yet so no problem for you, you can arrive and do the turn after the car. If your timimg is that you are in roundabout when the car arrives at it the car should wait for you to turn right or you can make U-turn before the car. If the car arrives before you, he is to your right side and you should stop and wait for the car to exit straight or do U-turn.
| Polarbear wrote: | I hate the damn things. I'd rather have a T junction but being Milton Keynes, the council just love roundabouts. 
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Beware of what you wish. The matter of the fact is in UK law T-junctions does not exist. No clear rules in Highway code. In fact there are no clear rules for uncontrolled junctions at all in the UK.
Comimg from Europe this was very confusing to me. In all of the continental Europe there is something called Priority to the right.
It says that on all uncontrolled junctions whoever is on the right side has right of way. Not here. Hence I almost crashed several times, because that rule means if we are on the same junction you have asked for but lets say its T-junction. In UK there is no law that says who has priority. In Europe clearly if I do the same right turn you have asked for I have Priority to the right - the car waits till I do the turn. Here they just go straight assuming they have a right of way.
For example in this T-junction below in Europe the red car has right of way over the truck always, who may go straight or turn left, but because the red car is on the right the truck MUST wait. In UK in the same situatuon the truck will go staright or turn left assuming for some weird reason he has a right of way (unwritten rule of who assumes he has a right of way wins):
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/neuralnetwriter/NewZealand/turning-left-at-an-uncontrolled-intersection.jpg
Which led to several almost crashes for me till I found that UK drivers does not have such rule at all. So all uncontrolled junctions are more or less like Russian roulette. Good news is you do not have many. Most are roundabouts thank god for that.
UK have ratified Vienna road convention, for some reason authorities decided not to implement it fully in the Highway Code law 
Do make sure you know Priority to the right when going on trips to France and all of Europe. Most junctions there are uncontrolled.
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The Main Road has priority over joining minor roads. So if the Main road goes around to the left but there is a Minor road joining from the right (So the minor road looks like it just goes strait to join the Main road) The vehicle on the minor road has to give way. |
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To quote the highway code directly:
"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
Always ride defensively, it'll help you to plan ahead in case some twat really does jump out in front of you from a minor road even if it was your right of way. |
FTFY for you both guys 
Exactly what I have in mind when I have said nobody knows where to go here - you do not have a clue what to do where there is NO main road on Uncontrolled Roads Junction do you? Uncontrolled means there are no stop lines, no signs, no lights, no main roads, just few equal roads crossing in T-Junction, Cross junction, or I have seen in Europe 5 roads cross. We have plenty of these here in cul-de-sac areas.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/neuralnetwriter/NewZealand/turning-left-at-an-uncontrolled-intersection.jpg
Say on the T-Junction example above I dare you to show me the Highway Code Rules when we can find out who has to go first the red car or the truck?
"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
Really? Do let me know what is the Highway Code advise to give way in the T-Junction example?
Do not thank me. I am just saying make sure you know that Priority of the Right rule, because you go to France try to ride straight this T-Junction and the first car that comes to do the right turn you are knocked over mate 
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if you are turning right you have the right of way, remember the rule of whoever is in the roundabout has right of way - Highway code:
When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right
That basically means all vehicles in the roundabout are situated to the right side of all approaching it.
If the car is not there yet but you are already there turning right, so from the point of view of the car driver you are on his right side (in the roundabout) so the car should stop and wait for you, if the car is there means you are not in the roundabout yet so no problem for you, you can arrive and do the turn after the car. If your timimg is that you are in roundabout when the car arrives at it the car should wait for you to turn right or you can make U-turn before the car. If the car arrives before you, he is to your right side and you should stop and wait for the car to exit straight or do U-turn.
| Polarbear wrote: | I hate the damn things. I'd rather have a T junction but being Milton Keynes, the council just love roundabouts.
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Beware of what you wish. The matter of the fact is in UK law T-junctions does not exist. No clear rules in Highway code. In fact there are no clear rules for uncontrolled junctions at all in the UK.
Comimg from Europe this was very confusing to me. In all of the continental Europe there is something called Priority to the right.
It says that on all uncontrolled junctions whoever is on the right side has right of way. Not here. Hence I almost crashed several times, because that rule means if we are on the same junction you have asked for but lets say its T-junction. In UK there is no law that says who has priority. In Europe clearly if I do the same right turn you have asked for I have Priority to the right - the car waits till I do the turn. Here they just go straight assuming they have a right of way.
For example in this T-junction below in Europe the red car has right of way over the truck always, who may go straight or turn left, but because the red car is on the right the truck MUST wait. In UK in the same situatuon the truck will go staright or turn left assuming for some weird reason he has a right of way (unwritten rule of who assumes he has a right of way wins):
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/neuralnetwriter/NewZealand/turning-left-at-an-uncontrolled-intersection.jpg
Which led to several almost crashes for me till I found that UK drivers does not have such rule at all. So all uncontrolled junctions are more or less like Russian roulette. Good news is you do not have many. Most are roundabouts thank god for that.
UK have ratified Vienna road convention, for some reason authorities decided not to implement it fully in the Highway Code law
Do make sure you know Priority to the right when going on trips to France and all of Europe. Most junctions there are uncontrolled.
I think I have a personal record in this post and clearly have beaten The Teflon Mike with paragraph or two.
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Was taught that if you're crossing the lane of travel you give way to those who are already in that lane of travel. The picture you posted of the red car would and is dealt with here like this;
Lorry is in the lane, because the red car is crossing his lane of travel, the lorry has right of way, regardless of whether he is turning left or going straight on.
Typically, the lorry (or if it were a car), if there is traffic behind, would flash the red car to take the turning before him as a gesture of good will if you like.
Otherwise, it is the lorry's right of way, and the red car has to wait for a gap in traffic, or someone to let him turn. |
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Was taught that if you're crossing the lane of travel you give way to those who are already in that lane of travel. The picture you posted of the red car would and is dealt with here like this;
Lorry is in the lane, because the red car is crossing his lane of travel, the lorry has right of way, regardless of whether he is turning left or going straight on.
Typically, the lorry (or if it were a car), if there is traffic behind, would flash the red car to take the turning before him as a gesture of good will if you like.
Otherwise, it is the lorry's right of way, and the red car has to wait for a gap in traffic, or someone to let him turn. |
In which case,you are a fuck-wit.
It's a round-about. There is no straight on.
Whom-ever gets to the roundabout first has right of way in this instance. If both arrive at the same time they either have 1) room to drive round each other or 2) be gentlemanly as bouth/niether have right of way.
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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | | alt tab wrote: |
Was taught that if you're crossing the lane of travel you give way to those who are already in that lane of travel. The picture you posted of the red car would and is dealt with here like this;
Lorry is in the lane, because the red car is crossing his lane of travel, the lorry has right of way, regardless of whether he is turning left or going straight on.
Typically, the lorry (or if it were a car), if there is traffic behind, would flash the red car to take the turning before him as a gesture of good will if you like.
Otherwise, it is the lorry's right of way, and the red car has to wait for a gap in traffic, or someone to let him turn. |
In which case,you are a fuck-wit.
It's a round-about. There is no straight on.
Whom-ever gets to the roundabout first has right of way in this instance. If both arrive at the same time they either have 1) room to drive round each other or 2) be gentlemanly as bouth/niether have right of way. |
Hold your horses bastard, I was replying to Val's post, as shown by the quote.
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| alt tab wrote: | Was taught that if you're crossing the lane of travel you give way to those who are already in that lane of travel. The picture you posted of the red car would and is dealt with here like this;
Lorry is in the lane, because the red car is crossing his lane of travel, the lorry has right of way, regardless of whether he is turning left or going straight on.
Typically, the lorry (or if it were a car), if there is traffic behind, would flash the red car to take the turning before him as a gesture of good will if you like.
Otherwise, it is the lorry's right of way, and the red car has to wait for a gap in traffic, or someone to let him turn. |
This is logical and sound all good only IF there was an actual rules in Highway code to support that. There is not. And that is the problem. Not to mention you go in Europe and crash. In all of the continental Europe plus New zealand and Australia, plus USA, basically in the whole world there is something called Priority to the right. Which is rule written in respective road laws. Basically this is the single most important rule we learn for the road.
Now see the problem here. If there are no written rules there is no point to discuss it. I have been taught if I am on the right always have a priority. They have exchanged my drivers license for UK one. If you go in Germany they will exchange your drivers license for German one.
Obviously we have a big problem here
I am not saying what is right or wrong. This is just a fact. In fact I am thinking to write to DVSA and ask them why they have not told me that important difference when they have exchanged my drivers license? Obviously the least thing you can do is at least to tell all foreign drivers. Or to make them do some course - I have no idea. And vice versa. To tell all UK drivers when they go to France there is something they MUST know.
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| Val wrote: | | alt tab wrote: | Was taught that if you're crossing the lane of travel you give way to those who are already in that lane of travel. The picture you posted of the red car would and is dealt with here like this;
Lorry is in the lane, because the red car is crossing his lane of travel, the lorry has right of way, regardless of whether he is turning left or going straight on.
Typically, the lorry (or if it were a car), if there is traffic behind, would flash the red car to take the turning before him as a gesture of good will if you like.
Otherwise, it is the lorry's right of way, and the red car has to wait for a gap in traffic, or someone to let him turn. |
This is logical and sound all good only IF there was an actual rules in Highway code to support that. There is not. And that is the problem. Not to mention you go in Europe and crash. In all of the continental Europe plus New zealand and Australia, plus USA, basically in the whole world there is something called Priority to the right. Which is rule written in respective road laws. Basically this is the single most important rule we learn for the road.
Now see the problem here. If there are no written rules there is no point to discuss it. I have been taught if I am on the right always have a priority. They have exchanged my drivers license for UK one. If you go in Germany they will exchange your drivers license for German one.
Obviously we have a big problem here
I am not saying what is right or wrong. This is just a fact. In fact I am thinking to write to DVSA and ask them why they have not told me that important difference when they have exchanged my drivers license? Obviously the least thing you can do is at least to tell all foreign drivers. Or to make them do some course - I have no idea. And vice versa. To tell all UK drivers when they go to France there is something they MUST know. |
I will without a doubt bear this in mind when I head over to visit our continental friends in the distant future. And I'm certainly going to be mindful of tourist drivers, we get a lot of them on EU plates within Salisbury, we have a big cathedral, which holds one of the few surviving copies of the magna carter or something like that. I digress...
I think it would be wise to contact them, it's certainly something that's worth being raised - a humanitarian gesture is always good for ones conscience
From what I understand the thing with our highway code is that it doesn't say anyone has right of way specifically, just references when you should give way to someone, which is ambiguous. I believe someone may have posted something along those lines in this thread.
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