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PostPosted: 18:46 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: MacBook pros Reply with quote

In b4 apple bashing and pc waffle, for the sake of sanity i'd like to keep this on topic.

Ok - so i'm after a laptop to replace my desktop(s) I have a display that works nicely for the main thing I do (photo editing) until now I have had a mini connected to that in the office and a 27" iMac at home but due to moving large amounts of data all the time wan't to smooth things out, so will get another display for home and use the one computer for both.

So that's the preface, now my choices and deliberation, do I go for a slightly older (2011) 17" iMac and pimp to spec (ram/ssd) or is the screen size difference negligible enough to plump for the latest 15.4" Retina, my main issue is screen space opposed to resolution (also a bit concerned that having too much detail will actually be a hindrance photos) from what i've read the latest model should be a fair bit quicker, the clock speeds are similar but as far as I know they became less relevant than newer architecture.

Anyone have a retina pro for a decent amount of photo editing work? (even better anyone come across this choice and gone either way?)
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use mine in Closed Clamshell mode, MBP screen is for home and out n about use only.

NB my MBP isn't actually closed in clamshell mode as it breathes through the keyboard iirc so a magnet is placed on the left side to trick it into thinking it is.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screen space/resolution? A higher res is more screen space but we won't argue Very Happy I'd still go for the older 17". Always liked a bigger screen/cheaper model. And macs tend to keep up spec wise, iv never done proper photo editing though.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they still let you choose shiny/matt screen finishes? This was the most important option for spec'ing a machine for professional work a few years ago.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I considered a MBP Retina that is when my old macbook finally gave up after nearly 7 years, back in early 2013.

I ended up going for the final version of the 2nd generation non-retina MBP.

Went for the 17" i7 one then custom-specced it up to the max. I think I probably got more for my money that way, screen resolution on this one is more than good enough, Retina isn't essential in most uses. Although photo editing I can't comment on.


Go for the best specced one you can afford with your budget. Worry more about processors and memory and less about hard drive size (you can always increase storage space with an external HDD which is cheaper and easier than trying to improve other things later on)
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid the nvidia based 17" MBPs like the plague, absolute time bombs, they will fail, and replacing the logic board is a waste of money.

The end of line AMD based ones were dependable, but were never that well optimised due to being a short lived product.

Vs a rMBP 15", Retinas are 'zippier' and more responsive and Yosemite really rewards the quick IO on the latest macs. Personally I feel the extra pixel density easily overcomes the downgrade in size. They don't do a 17" as it's simply not needed imo.

The 17"s strength is of course the upgradability and having two drive bays on hand.

My opinion? Unless it's living on a desk and never moving, rMBP all the way, if it's never going to leave the house, an iMac would be a better purchase. The 17"s were supreme 5 years ago, but they are just too awkward and fragile compared to modern ultrabooks.

Just remember that the ram isn't upgradable down the line on the retina machines so as noted above, prioritise that over getting a bigger SSD.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Avoid the nvidia based 17" MBPs like the plague, absolute time bombs, they will fail, and replacing the logic board is a waste of money.

The end of line AMD based ones were dependable, but were never that well optimised due to being a short lived product.

Vs a rMBP 15", Retinas are 'zippier' and more responsive and Yosemite really rewards the quick IO on the latest macs. Personally I feel the extra pixel density easily overcomes the downgrade in size. They don't do a 17" as it's simply not needed imo.

The 17"s strength is of course the upgradability and having two drive bays on hand.

My opinion? Unless it's living on a desk and never moving, rMBP all the way, if it's never going to leave the house, an iMac would be a better purchase. The 17"s were supreme 5 years ago, but they are just too awkward and fragile compared to modern ultrabooks.

Just remember that the ram isn't upgradable down the line on the retina machines so as noted above, prioritise that over getting a bigger SSD.


This was a factor, if I go for the mbpr it would be the 512gb ssd with 16gb ram as not upgradeable (hopefully that would last me a couple of years before being to sluggish for whatever i'm using then)
Yes there is a slight cost bump but this is a working machine so will be deductible.

Do you think the 2.5ghz mbpr will be noticeably zippier than the 2.8ghz iMac it's replacing?

The whole point of this change is additional portability, as said they will be hooked up to screens a lot of the time but will also be worked on out and about - that said it needs to cope with workloads, main use is lightroom/photoshop/photo mechanic/indesign/autopano but at the same time as using them I usually have mail/safari/messenger open too.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not everyone's cup of tea but when I went for my macbook pro retina I ended up getting a US import off amazon. Saved me £500 off the uk list price and is still covered under apples global warranty.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: MacBook pros Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:
will get another display for home and use the one computer for both.

So that's the preface, now my choices and deliberation, do I go for a slightly older (2011) 17" iMac and pimp to spec (ram/ssd)


Im using an i7 MBP from 2010, with an SSD and its plenty quick enough for retouching. I use Adobe CC and its very responsive. I generally have a lot of tabs open and I never have slowdown.

Also, for retouching the screen packs in a lot of detail and colours are excellent, even though its not a retina. Not ideal to be doing extended work on a small laptop screen though.

For home invest in a decent monitor, not sure what your budget is but something like:

27"
https://www.ebuyer.com/428184-dell-ultrasharp-u2713hm-27-led-hdmi-monitor-u2713hm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&gclid=CNGH3du4xcECFSPItAodU3wAEA

or

Acer K272HUL

Good 24"
Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24 inch LCD TFT Monitor (16:10, 1920x1200, 300 cd/m2)


Good 23"
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
Do they still let you choose shiny/matt screen finishes? This was the most important option for spec'ing a machine for professional work a few years ago.


No, they're removed the option for hi-res / matte. I think I got one of the last editions that had it as an option.

I have no idea why people think a shiny screen is a good thing to stare at unless you have perfect lighting. You might get that in an office or fixed location at home but with a laptop out and about you've got no chance of getting away from reflections. Unless they bring it back as an option I wont be getting another MBP.

Currently use my MBP with 2 other screens with the MBP open so 3 1680x1050 screens which is perfect for development work.

I'd always go for an additional screen over a single massive, hi-res one.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: MacBook pros Reply with quote

dangerousdave wrote:
_Will_ wrote:
will get another display for home and use the one computer for both.

So that's the preface, now my choices and deliberation, do I go for a slightly older (2011) 17" iMac and pimp to spec (ram/ssd)


Im using an i7 MBP from 2010, with an SSD and its plenty quick enough for retouching. I use Adobe CC and its very responsive. I generally have a lot of tabs open and I never have slowdown.

Also, for retouching the screen packs in a lot of detail and colours are excellent, even though its not a retina. Not ideal to be doing extended work on a small laptop screen though.

For home invest in a decent monitor, not sure what your budget is but something like:

27"
https://www.ebuyer.com/428184-dell-ultrasharp-u2713hm-27-led-hdmi-monitor-u2713hm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&gclid=CNGH3du4xcECFSPItAodU3wAEA

or

Acer K272HUL

Good 24"
Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24 inch LCD TFT Monitor (16:10, 1920x1200, 300 cd/m2)


Good 23"
AOC I2369VM 23 inch IPS LED Monitor


The monitor I have in my studio is an Lg 25" 21:9 aspect ratioips panel, I actually prefer it to the 27" iMac I have at home as it leaves plenty of room at the sides, I like Lightroom panels as large as possible for small adjustments, it also has a dual input pip mode - i'll be getting another of those for the home!
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The performance difference depends on the age really, if it's a first gen i5/i7 then most definitely yes. Second or third gen, not so much.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
The performance difference depends on the age really, if it's a first gen i5/i7 then most definitely yes. Second or third gen, not so much.


Lynnfield i5, 12gb ram running an SSD, it's the baseline of speed I need.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then yes, the performance boost will be very noticeable over a first gen i5.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaning towards the retina, only concern is no upgrade path, but with the thunderbolt 2 and usb 3 connectors that shouldn't be too much of an issue so long as ram doesn't make any leaps or bounds in the next 2 years.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't sweat that too much, ram isn't going to mudflate anytime soon with DDR4 prices as they are Confused
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: MacBook pros Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:

The monitor I have in my studio is an Lg 25" 21:9 aspect ratioips panel, I actually prefer it to the 27" iMac I have at home as it leaves plenty of room at the sides, I like Lightroom panels as large as possible for small adjustments, it also has a dual input pip mode - i'll be getting another of those for the home!


One of these ?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-LG

How do you rate it for sharpness / contrast etc? Just interested in a real persons opinion of it rather than these endless reviews on the internet.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: MacBook pros Reply with quote

Went and had a look at the new models today, feels very light for a 'pro' and the screen looks serviceable for sofa overtime, have been looking around and theres a fair few deals to be had.

Edit: having a look at these benchmark scores looks like mine is a bit of a donkey.

dangerousdave wrote:

One of these ?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-LG

How do you rate it for sharpness / contrast etc? Just interested in a real persons opinion of it rather than these endless reviews on the internet.


That's the one, as said I prefer it to the 27" for working as the aspect ratio lends to multiple windows/apps, colour/sharpness/contrast all as good as the iMac too (which is a very decent monitor in itself.

Well worth the £200 - actually the 25" I will be moving to the home and then purchasing the 29" model for the office!
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 26 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth noting that you can change the screen resolution to trade off readability vs usable working area.

Largest:
https://i.imgur.com/pAWwgTM.png

Recommended (too big.. in my opinion):
https://i.imgur.com/8Z8IjWv.png

Most screen space:
https://i.imgur.com/gnUZefd.jpg

Or 3rd party tools that allow you to get 1:1 resolution:
https://i.imgur.com/0lOBA9T.png
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 28 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for a macbook last year and went for the 15" retina, i dont hold much data on it and is only really used for.

Photography - Lightroom - Photoshop - Photo Mechanic - EOS Utility
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I tether it in the studio for product shots (only works with newer cameras, older version of EOS utility maxes out CPU and the newer version does not work with 5dmk 2s but newer version works with 6D etc.

I find it works very well but it makes my PC feel really fecking slow, the 15" is big enough for me and dont fancy lumping a 17" around, i did that with an alienware laptop for years.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 28 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just won a brand new sealed 2014 model from fleabay.

2.5ghz haswell, 16gb ram, 512gb pcie ssd - £1420 inc delivery - spot on Smile
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 28 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:
Just won a brand new sealed 2014 model from fleabay.

2.5ghz haswell, 16gb ram, 512gb pcie ssd - £1420 inc delivery - spot on Smile


Good luck with it. My works one died after 18 months of use. 2 other people who got the same laptop at the same time, died in the same month also. Hope yours doesn't suffer the same fate, considering you spent your own money on it.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 29 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just won a brand new sealed 2014 model from fleabay.

2.5ghz haswell, 16gb ram, 512gb pcie ssd - £1420 inc delivery - spot on Smile


Good luck with it. My works one died after 18 months of use. 2 other people who got the same laptop at the same time, died in the same month also. Hope yours doesn't suffer the same fate, considering you spent your own money on it.


Hope not Shocked Some who had the old dual core macs that went bust took them back as you're supposed 6 years use before major failures become present due to manufacturing faults - Apple replaced them with brand new ones!
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 29 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: MacBook pros Reply with quote

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That's the one, as said I prefer it to the 27" for working as the aspect ratio lends to multiple windows/apps, colour/sharpness/contrast all as good as the iMac too (which is a very decent monitor in itself.

Well worth the £200 - actually the 25" I will be moving to the home and then purchasing the 29" model for the office!


Thanks for the feedback on the screen. I'll be looking for one in a couple of months.

Re the reliability of those 1g Retina Macbook pro's, a colleague has one, its been fine, the only issue was a drop off in battery life which can be swapped out anyway relatively cheaply if need be.
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