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PostPosted: 14:14 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Clutch slip on new er6f. Reply with quote

So, two three months ago i got myself a new er6f. all was good.
about 1500 miles in i noticed a little clutch slip when i gave it a fistfull.
Took it back to the dealer and told them, a mechanic took it out.
Came back to say he redlined it in first and second and it was fine, and that maybe the bike was too fast for me. I left, baffled, that someone could even come out with this gibberish. Fast forward to this weekend, i had the misses on the back. on the motorway slightly uphill. decided to overtake a group of traffic, major slipping. currently at 2800 on the odo.

Now does anybody know if this falls under warranty, as in the booklet it says clutch, cables pads etc. are not covered, as they're consumables.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can make any excuse they want about warranty but a 3 month old bike should have zero faults, take it back, demand they fix it.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have warranty then contact Kawasaki UK and complain.
A clutch should last more than 3k miles.
Can probably be adjusted out at the lever end of the cable, have a
play with the adjusters and see how you get on. It's easy enough
to do out and about without tools.
Aren't you more likely to get clutch slip in higher gears and from
low revs anyway? The mechanic doesn't sound all that sharp to me.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm taking it back Monday. Just dreading the shit they're no doubt going to give. Can see them just straight up saying consumable.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did check the cable, had the required 1-2 mm slack. Asked teh mechanic to double check, who then told me it might help if i adjust the lever further out, not the sharpest.

Would you recommend contacting Kawasaki first or taking it back once more?
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cruise along at about 15mph, click up to top gear (6th?) and wind the throttle fully open. If the revs shoot up and the bike doesn't accelerate then the clutch is slipping.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried that and it wont noticeably slip.
If i change up from 3,4,5 while doing more than 7.5k revs aggressively then it will.

This confuses me now, as you said it should do it from down low, but doesn't.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbopea wrote:
I've tried that and it wont noticeably slip.
If i change up from 3,4,5 while doing more than 7.5k revs aggressively then it will.

This confuses me now, as you said it should do it from down low, but doesn't.


Does it do it if you don't disengage the clutch to change gear? Try accelerating, snapping the throttle closed and leaning on the gearchange until it snicks into gear, then opening the throttle again. Clutchless gearchanges aren't a dark art so you should get the hang of it quickly and if similarly 'excited' gear changes don't bring about the slipping then it's probably not the clutch material.

You might get a similar effect by just closing and opening the throttle snappily at decent revs.

If that doesn't slip then I'd hesitantly suggest it's something more to do with the clutch actuation, like it's re-engaging to lazily after you've used it. Without knowing the ins and outs of an ER6 clutch I wouldn't like to make a diagnosis beyond that but there are a few moving parts/springs/cable, etc. which could be worn or broken and mean you don't get a positive re-engagement when you let off the lever.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does indeed do it clutchless, if anything it slips more.

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So im guessing that means worn clutch, or springs?
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbopea wrote:
It does indeed do it clutchless, if anything it slips more.

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So im guessing that means worn clutch, or springs?


If it does it clutchless then I'd say contaminated or worn clutch material.

That *might* be your undoing on a warranty claim unless you have some sort of record that you brought it up with them previously and they fobbed you off.

Sub 3000 miles isn't acceptable for clutch wear but they could say you've been abusing the clutch, I guess.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, i have no proof of taking it down the first time, and guessing they wont back me up.

Will be a fun Monday morning then.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:55 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers,
I'll update monday
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, there may be trouble ahead.

If they do give it "that ain't 'ad fair use, that ain't," then next port of call is an independent garage. Worse case, pay them (less) to do it, then invoice the Kwak dealer.

Hopefully it won't come to that and it's something easy.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they give stick about doing it under warranty, read up on the sales of goods act, especially the "fit for pupurpose", and see if that'll change their mind.

It might not work but worth a try.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manual for the ER6 here if you haven't got one...

https://mototh.com/files/kawasaki/ER6n/Kawasaki-ER6n-Service-Manual-EN.pdf

That said it looks like there isn't any adjustment at the engine.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 05 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Manual for the ER6 here if you haven't got one...

https://mototh.com/files/kawasaki/ER6n/Kawasaki-ER6n-Service-Manual-EN.pdf


Thanks for that, very helpful.
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