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Albigularis
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Insuring bikes you can't ride Reply with quote

So I'm curious to see why this happens and what people think of it.

I decided to check some quotes out with MCE just to see what would happen. I can insure anything with them on an A2 licence. I tried a GSXR 600, 750 and finally 1000. They'd insure me on all of them, albeit the last two are expensive, so this makes me wonder why they're doing so? Even if I were to restrict it, and binned it, the claim would surely be invalid due to me not being allowed to ride it? So are they purely insuring it because they can make money from invalid claims? Seems a bit funny to me that there's nothing in the FCA stopping them from doing this...

Has anyone had to deal with a claim on a basis like this?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no reason other than laziness to code in the right decline rules into various software houses - and a bit of manipulation of decline rate stats by aggregators which can have financial penalties for insurers so best not fall foul.

There's absolutely no advantage of insuring anyone on a bike they can't ride in respect of throwing out claims - in fact in costs it's a huge implication.

It's totally for the customer to ensure that they have a valid licence for the vehicle being proposed. The insurer 'accepting' the risk would not be any mitigation in respect of riding otherwise in accordance and without insurance.

The contract is very specific - 'provided that the policyholder has a licence to ride the vehicle'
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
The contract is very specific - 'provided that the policyholder has a licence to ride the vehicle'

Gets stolen, what happens? Thinking

From home, from not-home?
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
arry wrote:
The contract is very specific - 'provided that the policyholder has a licence to ride the vehicle'

Gets stolen, what happens? Thinking

From home, from not-home?


This was my biggest curiosity as well...
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious as to what you think FCA stands for as its proper meaning makes no sense in terms of your post...
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't be covered. It's not specific to just 'road risks' so to speak.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissTamsin wrote:
I'm curious as to what you think FCA stands for as its proper meaning makes no sense in terms of your post...


What, Financial Conduct Authority? I thought they regulated insurers. Surely there's something against insurers starting contracts that they know won't hold up or are instantly invalid. It would be like Sky selling you broadband that they don't ever plan to put in because your area can't get it, but still charging you for it...
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 09 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Insuring bikes you can't ride Reply with quote

Correct, but

Albigularis wrote:
Seems a bit funny to me that there's nothing in the (Financial Conduct Authority) stopping them from doing this...


makes no sense at all Laughing

There is a degree of expectation in the motor insurance field that the consumer should know what vehicles they are licensed to operate and the insurance companies would still honour the fire/theft part of the policy if the insuree didnt hold an appropriate license to operate the vehicle on the road.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
arry wrote:
The contract is very specific - 'provided that the policyholder has a licence to ride the vehicle'

Gets stolen, what happens? Thinking

From home, from not-home?


I know when you have a crash you have to prove to the dibble that the vehicle is roadworthy, so taxed, insured, MOT'd and valid license. But I've never gone through the stolen claim process, so do you have to provide the info in that situation too?
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could a lot of this be insuring for when you pass your test, so you're ready to roll?
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:


What, Financial Conduct Authority? I thought they regulated insurers. Surely there's something against insurers starting contracts that they know won't hold up or are instantly invalid.


Why would it be invalid?

You can OWN, but NOT use a bike. So while riding it would mean you were breaking the terms of your licence.
You can still hold insurance that would be legal and claimed on should the bike be stolen.



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MCE don't ask for a copy of your license or proof of no claims,


Funny but they cover this very issue in the T/C
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Where do I send my no claims bonus proof and driving licence?
Please forward all documentation to MCE, Crown Way, Rushden, Northamptonshire, NN10 6BS

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PostPosted: 14:57 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Albigularis wrote:


What, Financial Conduct Authority? I thought they regulated insurers. Surely there's something against insurers starting contracts that they know won't hold up or are instantly invalid.


Why would it be invalid?

You can OWN, but NOT use a bike. So while riding it would mean you were breaking the terms of your licence.
You can still hold insurance that would be legal and claimed on should the bike be stolen.


Well, arry just confirmed that theft wouldn't stand up either. So as far as I can see if I insure a GSXR600 and tell my insurer I have an A2 licence, there is no possible way I can claim for a theft, fault or be claimed against in a non fault accident. Either way you swing it, the policy will be invalid.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may need to rethink my answer. Haven't time at the moment but when I do I'll have a close look at some docs
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 10 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely there must be some way of insuring it, as it must be insured somehow and if it's just sat in a garage then it's not covered by home insurance, as it's a vehicle.
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