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PostPosted: 14:25 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Flying the Typhoon Through the Mach Loop at Low Level Reply with quote

Not a bad way to spend your day at work.

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PostPosted: 15:22 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:28 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:25 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand, though . . .


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PostPosted: 21:02 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason I expected to see one of these....

https://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/76.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
For some reason I expected to see one of these....
https://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/76.jpg

Might as well, we're not likely to be sending manned aircraft in any more until the enemy are down to rocks. And not even the sharp rocks.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
For some reason I expected to see one of these....

https://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/76.jpg


Looks like a recent shot, wonder where that lives? Never seen one in the flesh, certainly not an airworthy one.

I think, unfortunately for the tax payer in the Typhoon's case, the air superiority fighter's days are over. It's a shame in a (non war) sense, as the aerobatics displays of such recent aircraft are impressive. Some of the low speed manoeuvring is unbelievable. Flying such aircraft in a full-on dogfight scenario must be an ultimate experience.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Flying such aircraft in a full-on dogfight scenario must be an ultimate experience.

But would represent a strategic error. Never pick a fair fight.

Naval strategists stuck to their battleships long after they were obsolete. I wonder if that's happening now with big expensive manned air superiority fighters. 20 year old planes designed to fight a 40 year old enemy, bless 'em.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Trouble is without them you leave the battlefield ruled by the 40 year old enemy

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PostPosted: 22:30 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Flying the Typhoon Through the Mach Loop at Low Level Reply with quote

Stevie GooGs wrote:
Not a bad way to spend your day at work.

Though, managed to make it sound VERY boring with the 'advanced' commentry Rolling Eyes.

Oh and aren't we on the brisk of another chilly war with the USSR democrati... Putin-land?

Though, drones still seem to make a lot more sense generally - and I'm sure the technology could evolve VERY fast if need be.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it's really no surprise that each of the Armed Services will fight their corners, try to justify their existence, and defend their share of the defence budget. But I wonder what kind of arguments the RAF are presenting for the "need" to keep these aircraft flying? Surely not, "well we only just got them, got to justify the spend"?

Keith, these are air superiority fighters. They have very little, if anything to do with what goes on, on the ground.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

Keith, these are air superiority fighters. They have very little, if anything to do with what goes on, on the ground.


You will find that using fast jets as a "Show of strength" often does a lot of help for troops on the ground, without actually having to use any weapons.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fast jets is one thing - for that you want aircraft like the Harrier, or whatever it's replacement is going to be (F35?). Strike aircraft in other words. Am I wrong in thinking that the Typhoon is not designed for this role?
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

Keith, these are air superiority fighters. They have very little, if anything to do with what goes on, on the ground.

With Bombers testing our waters, air superiority can massively affect what happens on the ground.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Fast jets is one thing - for that you want aircraft like the Harrier, or whatever it's replacement is going to be (F35?). Strike aircraft in other words. Am I wrong in thinking that the Typhoon is not designed for this role?


It's multi-role depending load out.

Though maybe not suited to a specific task, surely it's better to use what we have?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

Keith, these are air superiority fighters. They have very little, if anything to do with what goes on, on the ground.


I was talking about battlefield as merely the area of combat, whether on the ground, water or in the air. But as G says, if you don't defend against the mud movers then your ground forces are screwed as well.

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PostPosted: 22:47 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
With Bombers testing our waters


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lihp wrote:
Though maybe not suited to a specific task, surely it's better to use what we have?


Well, yeah, but that's closing the stable door now, in the Typhoon's case, seems to me.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=russian+bombers+scotland
Note a lot of results from this year - a significant higher incidence than normal, it seems.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I wasn't aware that this was still going on. Seems we are slipping back in time then.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, a couple of drones armed with air-to-air missiles would be enough to see those fellas off. Quite spooky for the Russian pilots too, I'd imagine. So, on balance, I still think the air superiority fighter's days are numbered.

What do you suppose those Typhoons would do if the Bears entered UK airspace and ignored the fighters?
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever they're told to do Smile.

Post 11/9, there's easy justification for shooting down any sort of plane.

Or you can just blame "the rebels" Smile.

Of course the 'interesting' bit would be the calls to putin.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could use either drones or ground to air systems to shoot them down. I would have thought that would be a cheaper option than fighter aircraft. And if they continued to invade sovereign airspace, you'd be quite within your rights to do so.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do we have any long range ground to air missiles? Do we have drones that can fly against an enemy with more than rudimentary electronic counter measures?

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PostPosted: 23:46 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea what we have with drones right now, but I expect it would be fairly easy to make anti-aircraft drones that can handle reasonable amounts of ECM - basically you just need to be able to keep a data stream to it and it should be easy to make one that will take out most any plane - have it setup as half way to a human guided cruise missile exploding in a cloud of shrapnel and I doubt there's much other planes can do.

Oh and being 'within rights' and risking starting something bigger with Putin are worlds apart. (But then of course there's the risk of starting something by NOT blowing them out of the sky if they enter our airspace.)
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 11 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
basically you just need to be able to keep a data stream to it and it should be easy to make one that will take out most any plane - have it setup as half way to a human guided cruise missile exploding in a cloud of shrapnel and I doubt there's much other planes can do.


That is pretty much what long range anti aircraft missiles are, but maintaining the data stream is the difficult bit. And with plenty of use in sandy regions there is no doubt quite a bit of unfriendly investigation into blocking that.

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