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captain_ramshackle
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

I have the following scenario.

Honda CG125 (2008) which starts perfectly fine with the electric start normally. Then riding for a period last night (1 hour) on main beam (country lanes) it wouldn't start after stopping.

A bump start got it going and a 30 min ride on dipped lights got it to the point where it would start fine.

This makes me feel that the charging system isn't powerful enough to run the bike and main beam, but I can't work out an easy way to check it.

At the moment I lack the following

Multimeter & battery charger

I'm going to have to get the multimeter as otherwise I may as well just wave a chicken at the bike and use voodoo.
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G
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

What sort of bulb(s) does your bike use?

On a CG I would expect it would use a single bulb which does either dipped or main beam; only doing both at the same time if a 'pass' switch is activated.

That being the case, there shouldn't be significantly higher drain on main beam, so might point to another issue.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

captain_ramshackle wrote:

I'm going to have to get the multimeter as otherwise I may as well just wave a chicken at the bike and use voodoo.


Phrase of the week!!

I got a multimeter for less than £3 off EBay - does all I need and more.

Incidentally, when you turn the high beam on does it turn off one filament and turn the other on, or illuminate both? Most (to my knowledge) swap over, in which case I'd say it's unlikely to make much difference. The low beam wattage is similar to the high beam, the difference is in the aim of the light - I think!
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captain_ramshackle
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

G wrote:
What sort of bulb(s) does your bike use?


It's a single bulb (35/35w) and I was under the impression energy usage was higher on full beam as there's more light (seems logical to me).
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monkeybiker
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My money says you need a new battery.
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G
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

captain_ramshackle wrote:

It's a single bulb (35/35w) and I was under the impression energy usage was higher on full beam as there's more light (seems logical to me).

It's very rare for single bulbs to be designed to use both elements at once in my experience.

So both should use 35w - Usually the light is just based on the beam pattern.
When you flick it to full beam, do you only get extra light, or do you find some areas closer to you are less illuminated?

And yes - multimeter would be THE start.
Ideally one that will measure 20A.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

G wrote:
And yes - multimeter would be THE start.
Ideally one that will measure 20A.


OK. I agree with you on that point.

Next question.

What exactly should I be measuring, my feeling would be the voltage across the battery when the engine is running which I'd expect to be about 14v (if my memory is correct).
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: How to determine if your alternator is under powered Reply with quote

Actually, first off, I'd be checking the way your bulb works, as already suggested. Smile

If both come on at once, I'd check if they are supposed to - it may have been bodged by a previous owner to do so.

You can test the voltage drop across the battery with each one on.
Also worth testing the amps drawn.
Presuming it is higher, then it's a case of working your up the wires until you find the problem.
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