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PostPosted: 22:27 - 22 Nov 2014    Post subject: At least we ain't the Netherlands (low sentence) Reply with quote
https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/22/father-throws-chair-at-judge-after-absurdly-low-sentence-for-driver-who-killed-his-daughter-4958142/

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120hours community service for killing 3 people, 75mph in a 50mph zone.

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PostPosted: 22:49 - 22 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
A challenge for Itchy................ Find something good about something and tell us all about it.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 22 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
That does appear way too lenient.
Understandable reaction from a parent. Indeed a little restrained.

If in the UK then perhaps as much as 140 hours community service?
Of course in the UK if happened to kill motorcyclist probably just a driving ban if he was unlucky.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 22 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
you must be joking, the UK has released hundreds of murderers and mass murderers after having only severed a few weeks or months of their life sentences.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
moonzoomer wrote:
you must be joking, the UK has released hundreds of murderers and mass murderers after having only severed a few weeks or months of their life sentences.


Source?
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
UK - 8 months inside for gatecrashing a race and killing no-one
Netherlands - 120hrs for killing 3 people.


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PostPosted: 12:29 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: At least we ain't the Netherlands (low sentence) Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
120hours community service for killing 3 people, 75mph in a 50mph zone.

I'm 100% sure it was a deer,
said the beer pump engineer.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
janner_10 wrote:
moonzoomer wrote:
you must be joking, the UK has released hundreds of murderers and mass murderers after having only severed a few weeks or months of their life sentences.


Source?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0728/8126-prisoners/
https://victims.org.uk/s08zhk/pdfs/counter/List%20of%20Irish%20terrorist%20prisoners%20released%201998.pdf
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jeez!
That's a massive insult to the victims familes and says all their lives are worth is some asshole picking up litter for 3 weeks.
I'd have thrown a molotov fucking cocktail
( and done the community service)
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Driver was Polish, how unuuuuusual.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: At least we ain't the Netherlands (low sentence) Reply with quote
Wait a sec; apples and oranges AREN'T the same Confused.

We have no decent details of this case from the populist-tabloid website linked to.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've always thought once you left Europe human life was worth nothing.....apparently it's now crept into Europe and it's on it's way here !. Is there nothing that counts these days !.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Netherlands has previous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4TLOJ3cKE

13 year old child killed by a driver 240hours community service.

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The accident happened last May at a turn near Heldensedijk. The court sees it as proven that the polish man did not have control over his car, started to swing left to right and eventually ended up on the bicycle lane where he ran over the victims. The court deems it not proven that the man drove over the speed limit.

The prosecutor is going to appeal as the police report claims that the man drove 120 km/hour, the speed limit being 80 km/hour.

The verdict led to incomprehension, debate and anger outside of the courthouse as well. For this reason the court posted an explanation online stating that the polish man drove between 76 - 124 km/hour.

So it is not certain that the man drove too hard. On top of that any speeding would not have had to be the cause of the accident. With his car the suspect could've taken the turn at up to 130 km/hour according to investigation. The man was not drunk, stoned or using his cellphone. Also he does not have a criminal record.

A heavy punishment is therefor not fitting, says the court. The judges do find it proven that the man caused danger. (note: there is no extra information in this article that explains how he caused danger)

The mother of the dead child writes on her Facebook page: ''The one thing most dear in our lives has been lost and that great loss is felt every minute of the day''

''We have a life sentence. No punishment can match that, in no way. However the way this has been dealt with now is unbelieveable and respectless.

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PostPosted: 23:56 - 23 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
That sentence is ridiculous.

Mind you, some bint got a year here for putting bacon in a mosque so we can't say we have stupid sentencing either.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
Netherlands has previous:

Are you suggesting that the Netherlands court in your quoted case should not work on the basis of 'innocent until proven guilty' sorta thing?

I see nothing in that statement that would 'prove' then guilty of nasty stuff in the UK.

A man of not-bad character it seems was possibly driving under the speed limit and was definitely driving under the speed his car should have been able to take bend.

Do you think every person that loses control of their vehicle for an unproven reason should get the same punishment, or just ones unlucky enough to do it a situation where people are killed?
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
Do you think every person that loses control of their vehicle for an unproven reason should get the same punishment, or just ones unlucky enough to do it a situation where people are killed?


And this is the key to the whole argument - the guy was speeding... That was his crime, the unintended consequence was that he hit and killed 3 people.

This accident from the same paper should surely lead to similar calls punishment then?
https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/23/family-survives-horrific-crash-when-their-car-split-in-two-4959053/
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is no information about the accident itself so why is this bad? Are you all just assuming the driver was speeding or driving dangerously? All the news sources I had seen before this hadn't mentioned a speed so not sure how the Metro got 75mph.

Maybe it was an accident!?! Good on the Netherlands for sentencing appropriately if it was.
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:
they used to be quite hot on speeding - "on the spot" fines and locked up until you pay?

Well, speeding has a tiny potential to cause injury or even death, it's important to deal with it harshly.

The Artist wrote:
Are you all just assuming the driver was speeding or driving dangerously?

Never mind some arbitrary speed limit. Absent mechanical failure which would have been reported, he demonstrably drove beyond his ability to control the vehicle.

How would you characterise that?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
The Artist wrote:
Are you all just assuming the driver was speeding or driving dangerously?

Never mind some arbitrary speed limit. Absent mechanical failure which would have been reported, he demonstrably drove beyond his ability to control the vehicle.

How would you characterise that?


My point is we have no idea and tabloid newspapers love this sort of story where they can assume whatever they want. Why not give the dutch legal system some credit when all the information you have comes from a shitty newspaper.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

which would have been reported,

Because free tabloid news-sites that are working on a viral business model have never left out pertinent details to add a bit of 'spin' to a story, of course! Especially when it's likely fourth-hand reporting from a different language. Smile

Was it his 'fault' - most probably.
Have I read any good proof beyond reasonable that this is the case? Nope.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
Why not give the dutch legal system some credit when all the information you have comes from a shitty newspaper.

Please, several shitty newspapers and hooky translations.

The hooky translations report that the case revolved around whether the driver could be proven to have been excessively over the speed limit, and he could not.

One hooky translation confirms my suspicion that the car was examined and had no mechanical defects, giving the lie to the killer's claim that it pulled to the side.

So, in essence, the liar just killed them for no explicable reason at all, which is apparently a "there there, don't blame yourself, old chap" event.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
So, in essence, the liar just killed them for no explicable reason at all, which is apparently a "there there, don't blame yourself, old chap" event.


OR, it could have been a complete accident no fault of the driver. I don't think having a go at the Netherlands legal system is justified at all unless of course you were there and can come to a more accurate conclusion than they can.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 24 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
I don't think having a go at the Netherlands legal system is justified at all unless of course you were there and can come to a more accurate conclusion than they can.

Quis judicabit ipsos judices?
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