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PostPosted: 18:42 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: New build specs...thoughts? Reply with quote

It has been 4 and a half years since I last built a pc, my current one isn't exactly terrible, but struggles with the latest games.

I have been a good boy at work and will be getting a £500 amazon voucher in a couple of weeks, so may as well use that to bankroll the build, to an extent...

Currently leaning towards this setup:

CPU: AMD FX-9590 (£160)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Motherboard (£127)
GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GTX 970 (£260)
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 - Love it, but £160... (ebuyer) Anything full tower size that is cheaper but will suit me just as well?

I'll also need a new PSU, my current one is only 650watts and it won't power the above. Any recommendations for a decent, modular PSU? preferably around the 850 watt and £100 price tag.

Liquid cooling - Not done this before, no idea what is decent, if anyone can point me in the direction of a suitable setup that would be great.

So, Have I missed anything here? Anything similarly spec'd but cheaper, or slightly more expensive but superior?

Also, do amazon usually have sales on computer parts as part of their black Friday sales? If so, it might be worth holding fire for a while.

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PostPosted: 18:50 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are doing something that needs loads of threads, I'd ditch the FX and go intel, the i5 4670K or 4690K is a better proposition for gaming, along with a suitable motherboard. The intel chips also consume a hell of a lot less power. A good 600w power supply will be fine, with the graphics card assuming you dont have 12 hard drives.

As for watercooling, I have a Coolermaster Seidon 120V setup in my mini ITX gaming PC, which keeps my Intel Core i7 4790K nice and cool.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Unless you are doing something that needs loads of threads, I'd ditch the FX and go intel, the i5 4670K or 4690K is a better proposition for gaming, along with a suitable motherboard. The intel chips also consume a hell of a lot less power. A good 600w power supply will be fine, with the graphics card assuming you dont have 12 hard drives.

As for watercooling, I have a Coolermaster Seidon 120V setup in my mini ITX gaming PC, which keeps my Intel Core i7 4790K nice and cool.


Software engineer. I do like my threads, probably not much use at home though.

You're right - the power consumption seems barmy in comparison to the i5-4690K. You have given me something to think about there. Surprised the FX doesn't turn off cores when they are not in use.

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PostPosted: 19:39 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:

Software engineer. I do like my threads, probably not much use at home though.

You're right - the power consumption seems barmy in comparison to the i5-4690K. You have given me something to think about there. Surprised the FX doesn't turn off cores when they are not in use.

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They are power hungry - but they do lower core speed when idle (Dynamic frequency) to save power.

and example is my FX-8150, clocked at 4.3GHz, but sits at 1.4GHz per core when idle:

https://i.imgur.com/dnDox46.png

But they still consume allot of power compared to others Surprised
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's called "stepping". Most, if not all, modern processors do it.

Another power saving feature is Parking.
Intel will park unused cores until a threshold is reached on Core #0, then it will un-park Core #1 and so on.


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PostPosted: 19:58 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: New build specs...thoughts? Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
Also, do amazon usually have sales on computer parts as part of their black Friday sales? If so, it might be worth holding fire for a while.


They certainly do. Last year I got a Samsung SSD for around fiddy ponds. it's only the 120GB, but that's enough for the OS, a couple of games that I'm currently playing and any essentials.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
It's called "stepping".


Middle Finger Mr. Green

iv always referred to it as "Dynamic frequency scaling" and always will! no one can stop me!

...actually...'stepping' is easier to say...hmm.. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about this intel setup?

CPU: Intel Core i5 i5-4690K (£168)
MOBO: Mod 1150 ASUS Z97-A (£115)

Any other thoughts on PSU? current 650 one isn't modular so getting replaced either way.

Also nice full tower cases?

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PostPosted: 20:31 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
How about this intel setup?

CPU: Intel Core i5 i5-4690K (£168)
MOBO: ASRock Mod 1150 Z97 Extreme4 ATX (£106)

Any other thoughts on PSU? current 650 one isn't modular so getting replaced either way.

Also nice full tower cases?

Cheers.


PSU:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corsair-HX1000W-CMPSU-1000HX-Profession-Series-80-Plus-Certified-Modular-PSU-/171540033495?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item27f0952fd7

Its used, but nice and cheap?

Case:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RC-942-KKN1-Cooler-Master-HAF-X-MicroATX-ATX-E-ATX-XL-ATX-Full-Tower-Case-/311032745358?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item486aff0d8e

Pricey, but you can find many second hand - as it doesn't really effect anything when its a case.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A used PSU, and a 1000W one (way, way more than he needs?) Confused

I just bought a SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 850W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black from Overclockers after a lot of research, it's a very good PSU. ~£100

Re: your ASRock mobo, back in the days when a P4 3Ghz was top of the range, I build a system with an ASRock mobo. The Windows startup jingle was juttery (via onboard sound) and benchmarks e.g. 3D Mark showed my system scoring about 10% less than it should. Turns out their mobo's were cheap for a reason and bottlenecked the CPU, crappy onboard sound... I changed the mobo to an Asus and no more juttery start-up jingle; benchmarks were up. It was a long time ago though and I've heard they have changed, people actually rate them now... but once bit and all that, I'd never buy another. Just bear in mind the motherboard can affect everything so don't skimp. I'd stick with your initial choice of Asus all day long.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 12 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
A used PSU, and a 1000W one (way, way more than he needs?) Confused

I just bought a SuperFlower Leadex GOLD 850W Fully Modular "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black from Overclockers after a lot of research, it's a very good PSU. ~£100

Re: your ASRock mobo, back in the days when a P4 3Ghz was top of the range, I build a system with an ASRock mobo. The Windows startup jingle was juttery (via onboard sound) and benchmarks e.g. 3D Mark showed my system scoring about 10% less than it should. Turns out their mobo's were cheap for a reason and bottlenecked the CPU, crappy onboard sound... I changed the mobo to an Asus and no more juttery start-up jingle; benchmarks were up. It was a long time ago though and I've heard they have changed, people actually rate them now... but once bit and all that, I'd never buy another. Just bear in mind the motherboard can affect everything so don't skimp. I'd stick with your initial choice of Asus all day long.


Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I haven't used ASRock before, but the current motherboard is Asus and it hasn't faultered once in 4 and a half years Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I haven't used ASRock before, but the current motherboard is Asus and it hasn't faultered once in 4 and a half years Thumbs Up


Its the other way around for me, had 2 Asus MoBo's fail on me in the same year and am now running an ASrock extreme 3 (?) that's running fine, touch wood. Mr. Green (im a fan of neither - just encase it becomes a fanboy debate Razz )

I suppose these days it just comes down to Luck. i have a friend that swears by Gigabyte boards, but reviewers hate them - it makes shopping for a decent mobo really hard Sad
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

merquis00 wrote:


I raise you by 300W. It's new too! The extra powa should allow the addition of a second graphics card.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/201211265099?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 26 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This turned out to be the final spec:

https://s21.postimg.org/uofo02gpj/finalbuild.jpg

Case should arrive today, then parts should start to trickle in. Will test what I can as it arrives in the current computer to make sure it isn't DOA.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 26 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
This turned out to be the final spec:

https://s21.postimg.org/uofo02gpj/finalbuild.jpg

Case should arrive today, then parts should start to trickle in. Will test what I can as it arrives in the current computer to make sure it isn't DOA.



Thumbs Up Should handle anything you throw at it***

Shocked makes my pc look 100 years old Crying or Very sad



***assuming the game/program you throw at it is not cow-plop programmed by plebs which seems to run badly on all PC's, regardless of power - *cough* watch_dogs release *cough*) Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 26 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

merquis00 wrote:
Dale_Mckeown wrote:
This turned out to be the final spec:

https://s21.postimg.org/uofo02gpj/finalbuild.jpg

Case should arrive today, then parts should start to trickle in. Will test what I can as it arrives in the current computer to make sure it isn't DOA.



Thumbs Up Should handle anything you throw at it***

Shocked makes my pc look 100 years old Crying or Very sad



***assuming the game/program you throw at it is not cow-plop programmed by plebs which seems to run badly on all PC's, regardless of power - *cough* watch_dogs release *cough*) Laughing


Add to the ROME II. A year after release and it still runs like a pile of dog shit. Losing faith in many game studio's, and their publishers who try to push stuff out of the door before it is ready. Who the hell thought particle processing on the CPU was the right thing to do? Laughing

As a software developer myself I know not to blame the actual guys and gals who do the dev work - these kind of stupid decisions always come from Mr hasn't got a clue, power complex, own agenda who makes the decision with a panel of people who also have no clue. It's the same everywhere.

A good project manager will always ask how quickly something can be done, then ask how quickly it can be done properly. Cool
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 27 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:

Add to the ROME II. A year after release and it still runs like a pile of dog shit.


agreed, and that's the funny part - even without the bugs/issues its still a bad game Mad

I'm glad you didn't call it "total war" as far as i can see, its just "rome II: nothing to see here - Click next turn"
(admittedly, this is from a fanboi expecting medieval2/shogun2 etc type game) Mr. Green

my rage has put me off topic *cough* pc stuff! stuff good! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 27 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

merquis00 wrote:
Dale_Mckeown wrote:

Add to the ROME II. A year after release and it still runs like a pile of dog shit.


agreed, and that's the funny part - even without the bugs/issues its still a bad game Mad

I'm glad you didn't call it "total war" as far as i can see, its just "rome II: nothing to see here - Click next turn"
(admittedly, this is from a fanboi expecting medieval2/shogun2 etc type game) Mr. Green

my rage has put me off topic *cough* pc stuff! stuff good! Mr. Green


Rome II : total blobs.

Shogun II was very well polished (eventually), but It didn't really interest me.

Napolean was probably the best game from the Total War series. The sea battles were amazing.

I'd love to see a ww2 style total war game, with amazing naval battles!
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the build has been completed for a couple of days now. Windows 8.1 is installed, and getting round to putting a few games on.

I do have one issue - if i run Burnintest and then open up the cputemp, it will lock up. I don't mean like a 'this process is not responding' lock up, i mean an entire system lockup. no access to task manager, and all the HDD's stop working. It's as if the CPU just stops responding entirely.

I can replicate the above - it happens every time.


It has also crashed out of games every now and then.

All firmware and drivers are up to date.

Nothing in the event logs except from the improper shutdown events.

I have ran memtest for 4 passes and it didn't pick up any issues.

I have lifted and reseated the CPU and ram.

None f the abover has had an effect, but if overclock the cpu to 4.6ghz, the problem goes away. (1.008v to 1.024v).

I'd rather not overclock at this stage tbh. Anything else to try other than contacting intel/asus and seeing what they say?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grab OCCT from here
https://www.ocbase.com/download.php?fileext=zip

Unzip to desktop

CPU:OCCT tab

Large Data set for detecting errors.

Let it run for 10mins and see what happens.
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Small data set testing temperature management

Let it run for 10mins.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Grab OCCT from here
https://www.ocbase.com/download.php?fileext=zip

Unzip to desktop

CPU:OCCT tab

Large Data set for detecting errors.

Let it run for 10mins and see what happens.
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Small data set testing temperature management

Let it run for 10mins.


Hmm, that fails as soon as it comes out of the monitoring period. Doesn't mention why though, as far as i can tell.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What settings do you have in the BIOS?

Disable "turbo" or the equivalent and try again.

Reset the BIOS and try again.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo is disabled, completely reset bios settings back to normal.

It now throws this error. (see image).

Had enough - will try again tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 07 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
According to my SWAG[1], about 90% of random crashes on new builds are caused by bad memory.

Try taking out one DIMM, then repeating test, then a different DIMM, etc. until you have a stable system.

If you only have one DIMM, sucks to be you.

BIOS settings other than default (i.e. not overclocking) generally make no difference.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Wild-Ass_Guess


I was pondering the same when i spotted the screen shot.

I googled the error code and this was the 1st result.
IU know it it relating to AutoCAD, but the resolution might help you out.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/The-application-was-unable-to-start-correctly-0xc0000142.html

Also, might be worth swapping the sticks round in the slots, then do another OCCT test and see when/if it fails.

Kinda "out there" but if the crash happens later in the test then you know the stick in the 2nd slot could be the faulty bugger.

That worked with single channel ram, dunno if it will work with DC or TC
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 08 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, everything I try always brings be back round to ram.

Tonight i'll test all 4 of the 2gb sticks from my old pc individually in the new one with occt and see if it gets the same error each time

I'll then test the new 8gb stick in the old pc and test it with occt.

That should give me a good idea of what is going on...
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