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PostPosted: 11:15 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Street triple Reply with quote

Toying with the idea of getting one, and have decided that when my leg has improved enough, I'm going to go test ride one. I really want to see what all the fuss is about. Whether I do succumb will depend on how comfortable it is, although keeping my Fazer means it'd just be a toy for fun Sunday kind of rides, so not considering doing big distances. But I'm 6' 2'', so it might all come to nothing if it's just silly cramped for the legs.

There's a car/bike accessories place near me that is selling one for a customer, and if I'd been 100% fit, I would have been seriously tempted. 2014 I think, not sure if it's an R model, and don't know the mileage, but immaculate standard, guy wants £5950, which I might well have paid for the convenience of it being on my doorstep (impulse buy, danger has passed I think Laughing ).

But even if not buying private, my local Triumph dealer have a selection for less than that, so I was browsing their site, but wondered if there's a best year for these? Probably wouldn't stretch to an R, so what would those in the know recommend? I reckon £5k would be my top price.

The only other problem I have is that come next year, both bikes may have to go into storage for a while, which so far looks like it'll cost about £37 per month per bike. But sometimes, you just gotta plough ahead with these things Mr. Green

A big part of the reason for wanting to try one is that I still haven't ridden anything newer than my Fazer (2002) and want to get a taste of how far bikes have come since then. Lots out there to choose from, but it keeps coming back to the Striple, as everyone bangs on about how good they are, so seems like a good starting point (can't ride sports bikes as I can't reach the bars with a dodgy arm).

TL;DR Thinking of getting a Street Triple, anything I should know, any problems, year to avoid, anything like that? £5k max budget.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In B4 Paddy.

EDIT- I'm seriously considering buying one over winter if I can get the 954 fixed and sold, or can save a little more monies.

Seem like awesome little bikes. Engine is mint, suspension is questionable, build quality is okish (bolts like to rust IIRC).
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an 11 plate one. Lovely bike, especially with after market cans on!

Down side was it didn't tour well. No where to bungee stuff on and ended up scratching the paint on the tail piece The paint on mine seemed rather soft. It needs a rack or ventura luggage if you plan on touring on it.

I had one of the last round eyed ones. Lights weren't the best but passable. Decent bulbs improved it.

The R needs the suspension set up properly. Mine was like a hard tail when I got it and I never got it right myself. A track day suspension firm set it up for me and after that was fine.

People say the R isn't worth the extra monies and I'm inclined to agree. I preferred the R paint scheme though. Embarassed

The one I really liked was the back with gold wheels, that was stunning. After that, the gun metal matt colour that Marjay has is nice.

tl;dr Cracking bikes, wonderful engine and handling. Much easier to ride fast than a full on sports bike IMHO. Painful keeping it above 100mph being a naked though.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
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Thanks Pb, not looking for a distance bike, as I'll be keeping the Fazer for that. The suspension thing is something I'd wondered about. I'd like a bike that handles well (I'm sure any one will handle better than the Fazer, although that's not too bad, but heavy in comparison). But I don't think I want to stretch to R money, and it's unlikely to be used on track in the foreseeable future, so good road handling is what I'm looking for. If the standard Street can be set up well for this, I'd be happy enough I guess. Gotta be better than my current bike?

I could save some money by going for a round-eye, but seems I could still get a half decent squint-eye inside my budget - should I? Any major advantage if it's not going to be an R?

So just a fun bike, not for long distances, I think it will all come down to whether I can ride it without extreme discomfort over shorter distances.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can find a way of getting to Maidstone you are welcome to take mine away for a few weeks to see if its "your thing"

I couldn't think of a more road based fun bike. Noise, power and handling all in 1 bundle.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
If you can find a way of getting to Maidstone you are welcome to take mine away for a few weeks to see if its "your thing"


Very gracious of you Paddy, and appreciated, but I can get a test ride locally, so a bit easier, and, I dunno, would just feel a bit uneasy about borrowing an "owned" bike. I'm always reluctant to loan my own bikes out. But big Karma Thumbs Up

Paddy wrote:
I couldn't think of a more road based fun bike. Noise, power and handling all in 1 bundle.


And this is exactly why I feel the need to try one! So many good comments/reviews like this. I know our biking press is probably a bit biased, but the testimony of owners and ex-owners all point to the fact that it really is a great bike.

I just hope the leg room thing isn't going to be an issue, but hopefully, as a fun bike for local twisties, it'll work out ok.

Paddy, remind me, is yours an R? If not, what's the suspension like? Have you done anything to improve the handling on yours, or are they ok as they come?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Street Triple isn't a "big" bike. At your height I'd expect that you would manage one, but any taller and I'd be reluctant to suggest it. One of my friends who tried mine is 6' and he said it's quite comfy so it shouldn't be too bad.

For £5k you could get a great example round-eye R with some extras and a good wad of change like this one *cough*.

I do think that going for the R is worth it, if just for the extra braking power. I've tried a standard and an R now and the brakes on they are brilliant in comparison, the modulation is so much better.

Service wise, if it's got over 12k, make sure it's had the big service done. Other than that, just make sure that if it's of the applicable years that it's had the rectifier recall (if you can see the fins behind the shock, then it's been done).

Not sure about the 'nowhere to bungee stuff' comment - the bits of the subframe under the seat, the stock numberplate hangar (it's basically a small scaffolding) and pillion pegs all make great bungee points. I get the shopping on mine with bungee'd-on bags all the time.

Handling wise they're great, I can only comment on the R here, but the weight distribution is quite good and it gives the back a good chance to dig in. It feels very comfortable leant over, never feels like it's about to step out of line. The only thing to beware of is that the torque makes it very easy to lift the front at low-speed in very sharp turns. Done it on my commute once when riding round a taxi that was arsing about and nearly wheelied straight into Mrs Business who decided to sprint across the road in front of me.

I went to see a Ducati 749 the other week as I've wanted one for years and it was cheaper than what my bike is worth, but after doing the same test route on my bike, I decided not to take it. My bike handles almost as well, it's very nearly as fast in a straight line, the engine is smoother, it's more comfortable, cheaper to run... Although that does bring me to the Street Triple's only downside (for me anyway). If you commute on it in heavy traffic - ie lots of start-stop-floor it away from/through traffic type riding, you'll get 25mpg if the gods are on your good side. Motorway and big-road use, I average about 38/40. Purely motorway I can manage 50.

Another great thing about them is that they're very unassuming, nobody remembers it or shouts out about it when they see it. Not sure about others, but I like that it's good at avoiding old-man-I-had-a-motorbike-before-the-war conversations and young guys telling you they've done 250mph up the local stretch of motorway on their mates quadruple turbo Suzuki Fireblade.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
Lots more helpful and interesting stuff


So is the suspension on a round-eye R better than that on a standard squint-eye model?

Hadn't realised there was a lot of difference in braking on the two, so could be a major factor in my choice. I did kind of prefer the idea of the later bike, but certainly food for thought here.

I haven't done an extensive search yet, but was thinking of getting a test ride on this one:

https://www.bladegrouptriumph.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes/2012-12-TRIUMPH-STREET%20TRIPLE%20675-675cc/53be7b6b54ab9c2fd.htm#.VHsbVthybcs

Or this one. Hmmm, bit over my intended budget, but maybe could be talked down a bit. Not far from me too. Nice extras, plus original bits. Damn, if only my knee was ready to ride now! :

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/triumph/street-triple-r/7630957/
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just replaced My rear shock for one off the R and My lower back is still thanking Me.

If you don't go for the R I would definitely consider upgrading.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for balance I'll chuck in my two pennies worth.

I bought a new squint eyed 'R' model in 2012. Fancied something different so traded a K7 GSXR 750 for it. I'm a fairly quick rider, do track days occasionally, used to race on track and road. Test rode a standard ST and got a good deal on the R model. From all the gushing about the STR in the bike press it had to be right, right?

I rode it for a year, did 6k on it and sold it. It still remains in my mind the most disappointing bike I've owned in relation to expectations. This is just my opinion as you will get 99 others saying it's a great bike.

Engine - Best bit of the bike but runs out of steam at the top end, why did they detune the 675 motor and put it in this? Engine used quite a lot of oil, when I asked about this they said its normal. (None of my other modernish bikes have used oil like this did.) Fuel consumption was about 40 average, ok.

Running gear and finish - Cheap components like indicators that broke off on their own, headlamps cracking ( both done under recall warranty) Bolts went rusty especially around the exhaust/shock area and I only ride in the wet if caught out. General finish average for me but never rode it in winter so can't really comment on what it would be like. Mine had the gel seat and was ok for about an hour then it was numb arse time.

Suspension and brakes - Brakes were ok, not outstanding just ok. Thought the ones on the standard ST were crap when I test rode it.
The suspension was the deal breaker for me. To say this was the R version it was rubbish. I know how to set up a bikes suspension, been doing it for years but this bike defeated me largely due to the poor quality of the components. The adjusters for rebound and compression on both forks and shock only worked for 3 or 4 clicks at either end of the scale meaning it was too hard or too soft. The rear spring was too hard for solo riding, the front too soft. The rear spring overcame the damping. I messed about with it a lot. The ST forum is full of suspension threads, best bet seemed to be to change the shock for something decent and have the forks revalved, not something I wanted to do on a new bike. Again why didn't they just put the 675 suspension on with 2 speed damping and adjusters that work?

In short it wasn't the bike for me, but as I said most people rave about them. If I was buying another ( I wouldn't ) I'd look to getting a modded one in terms of suspension.
Don't let my experience put you off, go and try one and see what you think.

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PostPosted: 16:20 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the initial suspension setup a little soft but the more I rode it the nicer it felt.

I really cannot fault it. I got 55mpg on the motorway and have got 20 at its lowest which was absolutely ragging the tits out of it in 2nd and 3rd doing wheelies.

I've not ridden the R, however it can't be that different. Bit of suspension but unlikely to make or break the decision.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, this turned out to be a bit more TL;DR than intended Laughing

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Just for balance I'll chuck in my two pennies worth.



It's good to hear some criticism OGR, as you say, brings a bit of balance to the equation.

You've done a lot of racing, can set up suspension yourself and traded a sports bike for it. Me, I'm purely a road rider, and apart from the R6 shock recently fitted to my Fazer, haven't ever really messed about with suspension tweaks. And I've never owned a modern sports bike to compare to. So I'm probably not used to the levels of excellence you are talking about. And the Fazer is the only model I've ridden extensively for the last, oh, 10 years. So do you reckon the Striple can be any worse?

Running out of steam at the top end I reckon I can live with, as I'll still have the Fazer for when I feel the need for speed. It's really more about having something to flick around tighter, twisty roads for me, and gaining the perspective on how things have developed since the Fazer was introduced way back in 2001.

Fuel consumption is not really an issue for me, as it won't be used as a commuter, and the Fazer covers the distance stuff.

My Fazer gets a bit oil thirsty when it's caned, but is fine the rest of the time.

Bit disappointing to hear about the finish, but again, it will only be for nice, dry, sunny conditions, and I suppose I can make an effort to keep on top of things in that regard. If the headlamp problem was dealt with in a recall, then it shouldn't be a big deal if I make sure that recall has been done?

An hour's comfort at a time will probably be ok for me; again, Fazer for longer. The Striple is only supposed to be a Sunday blast toy for me.

So the suspension and brakes seem to be the main issues. The Fazer will shortly be getting an R1 front end to match the R6 shock, and the blue spots are excellent, so this will be my main concern on the Striple (after physical size). But as you say, most people seem really happy with them, so perhaps it is your previous experience that colours your thinking, and for someone like me it'll be ok?

And, when all's said and done, this will be a second bike that might get traded in now and again so I can try different stuff, so it's not the end of the world if it has a few problems, as long as I can get a year or two's enjoyment out of it first. The Fazer is always going to be no. 1 bike for me, because it's such a great all-rounder if I ever end up with only one bike again. I guess there isn't any bike out there that doesn't have it's problems. But it is useful to have the heads up on your thoughts and a different perspective, so thanks for that Thumbs Up

Just out of interest, if you were in my position in regard to wanting to try something more modern, but can't have a full on sports bike (must have an upright riding position, and not too cramped for the legs), what would you go for? And bearing in mind about a £5k budget (narrows things down quite a bit, doesn't it!).



@Paddy - I think after the bikes and riding experience you've had, I'll probably find I'm at least as happy with one as you are with yours. What do you reckon on the brakes on the standard model?

Also, for under five g's for the kind of condition I'm seeing on bikes for sale, seems like a bit of a bargain to me. If it was much over that, I might be more concerned, but this is an itch I think I need to scratch, whether I end up pleased or disappointed, and I get the feeling it won't be the latter Smile
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Just out of interest, if you were in my position in regard to wanting to try something more modern, but can't have a full on sports bike (must have an upright riding position, and not too cramped for the legs), what would you go for? And bearing in mind about a £5k budget (narrows things down quite a bit, doesn't it!).


I know this question wasn't directed at me, but, no it doesn't. FWIW, at 6'1", I found the ST quite diddy and cramped. For upto £5k I'd be looking at an Aprilia Tuono 1000R (maybe even Factory at this time of year!), or a KTM Super Duke 990 (or SMR). Purely for fun, the Ducati Hypermotard 1100 could work well.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Just out of interest, if you were in my position in regard to wanting to try something more modern, but can't have a full on sports bike (must have an upright riding position, and not too cramped for the legs), what would you go for? And bearing in mind about a £5k budget (narrows things down quite a bit, doesn't it!).


I know this question wasn't directed at me, but, no it doesn't. FWIW, at 6'1", I found the ST quite diddy and cramped. For upto £5k I'd be looking at an Aprilia Tuono 1000R (maybe even Factory at this time of year!), or a KTM Super Duke 990 (or SMR). Purely for fun, the Ducati Hypermotard 1100 could work well.


Funnily enough, all bikes on my radar. It was seeing a Street Triple for sale not 10 mins walk away that sparked the decision that it's time to get off my arse and try something. But I'm just not sure I need 2 bikes with litre bike performance. If the Striple doesn't work out for me, these are three I'll consider though, along with a Speed Triple (but I suspect that won't cut it). The KTM would likely be highest on that particular list, without looking into things more.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re- corrosion. I've been using this bike as a commuter and the person before me did as well. Even through previous winters, still looks like this when cleaned down-

https://i.imgur.com/0g3Oxyq.jpg

I'd say judge it on your test ride, but as others said, if I was your height I'd probably try and a grab a Tuono. Although I'm biased because I prefer v-twins... Already thinking about financing me a Tuono 1100 when released next year.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
Re- corrosion. I've been using this bike as a commuter and the person before me did as well. Even through previous winters, still looks like this when cleaned down-

https://i.imgur.com/0g3Oxyq.jpg

I'd say judge it on your test ride, but as others said, if I was your height I'd probably try and a grab a Tuono. Although I'm biased because I prefer v-twins... Already thinking about financing me a Tuono 1100 when released next year.


Spot of dirt on the rear caliper; your weekend pass is cancelled! Laughing

Yep, physical size may well be the deciding factor here. In fact, I think that's really the only thing I need to check.

Trouble with the Tuono, KTM, Hypermotard is, or I perceive to be is, reliability. Although the Fazer will still be there if the fun bike has problems, I don't really want to be throwing £s at it once bought, aside from normal running costs. So I'd definitely need to read up a bit more on all these. But, first thing's first, gotta test ride a Striple, as that's what the heart says, and I haven't heard of any major reliability problems with them.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant compare directly as I had an older (round headlight) ST and now have an Aprilia Falco (same engine in the older (single headlight) version of the Tuono. Ive had no reliability problems bar to do with age related wear and tear on my Falco. It has almost 50,000 miles on it.

I know I'm protected by the wind more on the Falco but it's too much for fast use to be fun on the roads. The engine is also awful around town, far too lumpy and too much clutch slipping required in London traffic. Good for fast roads but maybe too fast.

ST brakes are definately a weak spot. I never had an issue with corrosion, reliability or suspension on mine and it was used through winter to commute (although I only weight 60kg).
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
The Street Triple isn't a "big" bike. At your height I'd expect that you would manage one, but any taller and I'd be reluctant to suggest it. One of my friends who tried mine is 6' and he said it's quite comfy so it shouldn't be too bad.

For £5k you could get a great example round-eye R with some extras and a good wad of change like this one *cough*.

I do think that going for the R is worth it, if just for the extra braking power. I've tried a standard and an R now and the brakes on they are brilliant in comparison, the modulation is so much better.

Service wise, if it's got over 12k, make sure it's had the big service done. Other than that, just make sure that if it's of the applicable years that it's had the rectifier recall (if you can see the fins behind the shock, then it's been done).

Not sure about the 'nowhere to bungee stuff' comment - the bits of the subframe under the seat, the stock numberplate hangar (it's basically a small scaffolding) and pillion pegs all make great bungee points. I get the shopping on mine with bungee'd-on bags all the time.

Handling wise they're great, I can only comment on the R here, but the weight distribution is quite good and it gives the back a good chance to dig in. It feels very comfortable leant over, never feels like it's about to step out of line. The only thing to beware of is that the torque makes it very easy to lift the front at low-speed in very sharp turns. Done it on my commute once when riding round a taxi that was arsing about and nearly wheelied straight into Mrs Business who decided to sprint across the road in front of me.

I went to see a Ducati 749 the other week as I've wanted one for years and it was cheaper than what my bike is worth, but after doing the same test route on my bike, I decided not to take it. My bike handles almost as well, it's very nearly as fast in a straight line, the engine is smoother, it's more comfortable, cheaper to run... Although that does bring me to the Street Triple's only downside (for me anyway). If you commute on it in heavy traffic - ie lots of start-stop-floor it away from/through traffic type riding, you'll get 25mpg if the gods are on your good side. Motorway and big-road use, I average about 38/40. Purely motorway I can manage 50.

Another great thing about them is that they're very unassuming, nobody remembers it or shouts out about it when they see it. Not sure about others, but I like that it's good at avoiding old-man-I-had-a-motorbike-before-the-war conversations and young guys telling you they've done 250mph up the local stretch of motorway on their mates quadruple turbo Suzuki Fireblade.


I probably didn't make it clear... Nowhere to bungee without rubbing on the paint work. I do a loto of touring and ended up buying very expensive Ventura luggage to stop me fucking the paint on the tail piece.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Trouble with the Tuono, KTM, Hypermotard is, or I perceive to be is, reliability. Although the Fazer will still be there if the fun bike has problems, I don't really want to be throwing £s at it once bought, aside from normal running costs.


Certainly as far as Aprilia is concerned, I don't think that any reputation for poor reliability is all that deserved, particularly for the Gen2 RSV/Tuono onwards. I've owned a Falco and a Gen 2 Tuono, covered many thousands of miles on each, serviced them myself, and never encountered any reliability issues. Furthermore, I think they're some of the best made bikes about in terms of materials quality and finish. I'd have no hesitation in taking one on a long tour, or using it through the Winter.

Likewise, I think Ducati have got their act together, particularly over the past 10 years or so (i.e 1098 onwards). It's important to stick to the service schedule, but that's increasingly less regular. Again, I'd be quite happy to tour on a modern Ducati.

I'm not so sure about KTM. I haven't owned one, but almost all the owners I've spoken to have enountered electrical gremlins somewhere along the line. And the finish on some components leaves something to be desired. But it's probably the most dynamically capable bike of those listed, and I'd still have one.


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PostPosted: 20:17 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a speed four and was considering a street but having rode both to me its not worth the extra 3k, the speed four handles & stops better then the std street power wise not much in it. Going from a fazer I think you will find the same, the difference isn't worth the £. I would rather a tuono, ktm etc etc
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

I probably didn't make it clear... Nowhere to bungee without rubbing on the paint work. I do a loto of touring and ended up buying very expensive Ventura luggage to stop me fucking the paint on the tail piece.


Y U NO go for Kreiga?

Great stuff, and clips in under the pillion seat to exposed metalwork.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing you have to check periodically, on most triumphs using the triple, is the engine casing bolts.

They like to come loose on their own accord and can start weeping oil.

Other than that, cracking bike, however i still haven't rode an mt-09 to see how it compares.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brakes, superb. However pads will likely be the biggest change you can find.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:

Other than that, cracking bike, however i still haven't rode an mt-09 to see how it compares.



MT +
More power/torque

Street Triple +
Better handling
Riding position
Dash layout
Throttle response
Brakes
Build quality

This is comparing my 2013 STR to the 2013 MT-09 that I test rode, the snatchy throttle was the main thing but apparently that has been fixed. The riding position was very forward and upright, almost supermoto and I kept hitting the clutch cover with my shin whenever I used the rear brake. The brakes were numb feeling and the suspension quite spongy, going round a nice smooth sweeping corner the MT lost all feel from the front end where the STR kept me connected and encouraged higher speeds. The MT's power wheelies were fun, except when charging out of a slow corner where I really didn't expect it (I tested both bikes on the same day, Triumph first).

The 2013+ ST has different gear ratios to the previous version, but that does stop most power wheelies (75mph in 1st).
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
The 2013+ ST has different gear ratios to the previous version, but that does stop most power wheelies (75mph in 1st).


Read as: "The old one's faster, get a round-eye" Laughing.
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