Sold as seen/ trade sale

[J4mes]

Can someone point me in the direction of an official document or web page which states they have no legal meaning when applied to the receipt of a used car sold by a trader to a consumer.

Bought a runaround. Specifically asked if it had any other faults than those found during test drive and inspection, was told none.

15 miles later, engine management light is on. Phoned seller, told them I wanted it sorted or I want to return the car for full refund. He said he'll get it on the machine and turn light off.

Well turning the light off isn't sorting it is it?

Advice please!

[DrSnoosnoo]

When you bought it, it'd probably just come off the machine to turn the light off. Now he's just returning it to that condition

Sorry, can't help. Will watch this thread.
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[iooi]

Try this


As a trader, misleading consumers by using phrases such as “Trade Sale – Sold as Seen” or “No Refunds” is not only illegal but also completely voids the contract. Interesting given its a motor trade blog and has some further links to OFT.
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[P.addy]

What light, is the car running like shit?

Find error, replace £10 part, forget it...

OR

Remove light, drive till it dies completely.

[J4mes]

Engine management light, no it runs ok so far.

They can find £10 part and replace if its that easy,or give me my money back.

Need to sell it or trade it in when I get my new car, can't really do either with the EML on without effecting the woeful value already.

[Ste]

How much was the car?

[J4mes]

£550 on 195K miles, so not really "cheap" compared to others on the market.

If it had been 2-3 weeks down the line I would have thought "hard luck" but its the first time I've driven it properly and the light comes on. Teat drive was short (3 miles) as trade plates werent available. Makes me think they knew about it and didnt want car to get up to temp when it came on.

[DieselASFC]

https://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC094699

That's the rules set out for Motor Traders. Sold as seen etc is deliberately misleading the consumer about their statutory rights blah blah

[Keir]

so you have a £550 car on 195k and you didn't expect problems?
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[J4mes]

I expect the problems to be pointed out.

Had he said " after 20 minutes the EML comes on" I probably would have walked away.

[Ste]

[DieselASFC]

[MC]

A work van had the oil pump replaced, and for a while afterwards the engine warning light was coming on, although this was after a few hours... not minutes. It stopped happening after a while.
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[J4mes]

2 other dealers pointed out faults to me which meant I didn't buy their cars - one an intermittent alarm fault ( and the alarm was fucking loud too) and the other an airbag fault which didn't appear during inspection.

Both were on near 200k £500 vehicles. I thanked their honesty and carried on looking. And next time I want a £500 car I'll go see what they have. I'd suggest others do the same. But not dealers who hide faults.

[ferrisio]

How do you know he knew about it? An unknown 200K car is a ticking time bomb. How do you know the previous owner hadn't zapped the codes before trading it to the dealer and it just hadn't been driven enough to light the EML?
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[Ste]

You do have recourse but the situation would be simpler if it were a few grand of car rather than a £550 bargain car. I can see the 'satisfactory quality' part being the stumbling block as that's open to interpretation.

Still, as in my last post, any problems in the first six months and it's down to the dealer to prove that the faults were present when the vehicle was purchased. I doubt they'll have the time, money or inclination to do that so a few well worded letters by recorded delivery could help spur them into actioning a refund. And if it doesn't then you've made efforts to resolve the situation prior to seeking resolution through the courts so you can then send application paperwork to the small claims court or use moneyclaim.gov.uk

Say, a test drive without trade plates... presumably not legit but who's at fault, the dealer or the person behind the wheel?

[J4mes]

Person behind the wheel - my insurance covered me but the vehicle wasnt taxed. I expect we'd both be in trouble if caught. Hence he quick test drive. Perhaps I should have waited for plates and then took 20 minutes. Might have seen the EML then...

[janner_10]

Flogging a dead horse IMO

Buy bluetooth fault code reader + app (around £10) and fix/reset yourself - plan from there to what fault is.
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[J4mes]

Dude at work is lending me one so i can read fault before i take it in.

[Rogerborg]

[WD Forte]

Anyone else thinking of the big bang theory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W5PCYFXLJ4

£550 for 195K car eh?
What car?
( why do so many people here never say what fuckin bike/car they have?)
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