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CyrilSwan
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: bike insurance quotes Reply with quote

I was wondering if I could get some advice on this. My renewal is coming up on my 2 year old Honda CBF 125. So the bike is not that valuable, say around £1,400. I use it for a 36 mile round trip commute three times a week (in all weather).

Quotes I've had so far:

1.) £110 fully comp - £450 compulsory excess.
2.) £169 fully comp - £150 compulsory excess.

3.) £85 TPFT - £450 comp excess.
4.) £127 TPFT - £150 comp excess.

I'm initially inclined to go with option 4 as it has the least excess. I ride quite sensibly so I would be unlikely to be at fault for an accident. Given that (and I know there are no certainties here), is it better to go for the cheapest overall? I'm assuming if you are in a non-fault accident that the excess you pay is refunded to you.

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PostPosted: 10:40 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only pay excess when claiming on your own policy for your own bike.

If you hit somebody and they claim, you do NOT pay excess, if somebody hits you, and you claim from them you do NOT pay excess.

If you hit somebody, somebody sets your bike on fire, or steals it, and YOU claim from YOUR policy, for YOUR bike, you pay the excess.

It's not worth putting a claim in for repair, theft or fire on a £1.4k bike, so just go with the cheapest (unless it's MCE)
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd possibly do 4. If your bike does get set on fire AND you want to claim for the £1400 to buy another 125, that should be decent money £-150 = 1250.

Getting less than a grand though would restrict your options. And look at it this way, it's £40 that could save you £300.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
I'd possibly do 4. If your bike does get set on fire AND you want to claim for the £1400 to buy another 125, that should be decent money £-150 = 1250.

Getting less than a grand though would restrict your options. And look at it this way, it's £40 that could save you £300.


£1250, minus 5 years of increased premiums
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
£1250, minus 5 years of increased premiums


Agreed. At a price of around a grand I'd never claim on either of my bikes being set on fire or nicked. It'd affect my car insurance and then the policy for whatever bike replaced it.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

any of those quotes would do me nicely compared to the premiums I'm paying (i commute so that increases it a bit but still).
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheapest quote, spend the savings on security.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all, cheapest quote is bikesure. Any good?
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 12 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyrilSwan wrote:
Thanks all, cheapest quote is bikesure. Any good?


As crap as any other insurer

insurance companies are right up there alongside lawyers, used car salesmen, victor devine, bike onik and avon bikes bristol according to this forum
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For that difference, definitely go fully comp. Sure, you're not likely to have an accident but if you need a month off work after being hit by an uninsured driver then you'll likely be pleased you paid the extra £44.

Do consider the company you'll be insuring with. Are they c***s?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyrilSwan wrote:
Thanks all, cheapest quote is bikesure. Any good?


Adrian Flux. Underwriter will likely be Trinity Lane.

Since you're not thinking of claiming I don't suppose there'll be too many issues; but AF service and style do get a caning from time to time.

lihp wrote:
£1250, minus 5 years of increased premiums


True dat, but any sort of load on a £120 policy isn't likely to break the bank.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For that difference, definitely go fully comp. Sure, you're not likely to have an accident but if you need a month off work after being hit by an uninsured driver then you'll likely be pleased you paid the extra £44.


The relevance, I fail to see it?

Fully comp doesn't cover the squidgy bit doing the steering.....
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
I thought fully comp normally included a few extras third party doesn't.


Any examples? Other than accidental damage, of course...
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Fully Comp policies include some form of Personal Injury Benefit, but it's usually a pittance. The standard for esure for our car is £1000, but you can take optional extras to take it up to £100k.

Fully comp vs TPFT, the only difference is you can claim accidental damage on the FC. The rest is all down to what the insurer offers, so best give them a call and see what's included.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for your help and advice. I'm going with the cheapest option at bikesure. This has brought up a new question though.

I currently hold a full motorcycle A1 license. The only option to pick is full uk license. Now on the confirmation screen it says "License Type: Category A Motorcycle Test".

Is this an oversight by them or a good excuse for them to say you don't have a category A test but a category A1 test therefore your insurance is invalid, therefore do one?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyrilSwan wrote:
Thanks all for your help and advice. I'm going with the cheapest option at bikesure. This has brought up a new question though.

I currently hold a full motorcycle A1 license. The only option to pick is full uk license. Now on the confirmation screen it says "License Type: Category A Motorcycle Test".

Is this an oversight by them or a good excuse for them to say you don't have a category A test but a category A1 test therefore your insurance is invalid, therefore do one?


The latter. Give them a phone to accept the quote and see what they say. Some places do break it down, I know Scooters & Bikes is one, they rate you on A/1/2, whereas MCE for example just ask if you've passed the full test, they don't care what licence it is specifically. You could have an A1 and ride a Hayabusa for all they care. Money in their pocket when they don't have to pay out.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
You could have an A1 and ride a Hayabusa for all they care. Money in their pocket when they don't have to pay out.


Please do explain how they can escape third party liability cover and still offer a valid RTA policy?
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Called them, they've done it over the phone making the policy £10 dearer but at least it says A1 now. Their excuse is that it was the comparison sites fault (nowhere to amend it online once at the providers site).
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyrilSwan wrote:
Theire excuse is that it was the comparison sites fault (nowhere to amend it online once at the providers site).


And it's the truth. Comparison sites question sets are, umm, set, and outside of the individual insurer's control. You play along, or you don't get distribution.

As a point of reference it would be extremely difficult for any insurer to avoid a policy where there's a non-disclosure / misrepresentation brought about by their own (or that of the distribution channel's) misleading question set. The FOS, FCA and courts follow a route of:
1) Was the policyholder asked a question that was clear and not misleading
2) Was the answer to that question incorrect; then either innocently or with intention to deceive
3) Is any non-disclosure / misrepresentation that has occurred material to the underwriting of the policy; if so, to the extent that terms would have been materially different or terms would not have been offered at all

So, in effect, there not being a clear question makes the rest an irrelevance.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Albigularis wrote:
You could have an A1 and ride a Hayabusa for all they care. Money in their pocket when they don't have to pay out.


Please do explain how they can escape third party liability cover and still offer a valid RTA policy?


I don't really understand what you're asking here. I'll lay it down to the extent I'm aware. I called them telling them I had A2 and wanted a Ducati 749, they put it through no bother. Likewise for a GSXR 1000 K5. The guy told me the onus was on me to make sure I was legally allowed to ride the motorcycle, regardless of them being able to insure me on it. I asked in a thread about this a while ago, and nobody seemed to think the insurer was at fault for allowing insurance on bikes that clearly are not fitting to your licence category. Are you saying some of the responsibility is on their part in this case?

If a claim was against you and they refused to pay out due to your licence type then would the funds not be either taken from you in a court, or be recovered from the MIB?
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurers can't refuse to pay out to third parties.

If the cover wasn't valid then they can then pursue the policy holder for their costs. As to if the funds can be 'taken from you in a court'... if you've got hundreds of thousands or millions of pounds of assets then it probably would end in a court room. If you don't have that type of money then good luck to them in taking that money from you in a court.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 13 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy9934 wrote:
For that difference, definitely go fully comp. Sure, you're not likely to have an accident but if you need a month off work after being hit by an uninsured driver then you'll likely be pleased you paid the extra £44.

Wait, what? Do you believe that a "fully comprehensive" vehicle policy covers anything more than repairing or replacing the insured vehicle? Eh?
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 14 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gently.

By default, "fully comprehensive" insurance covers repairing or replacing your vehicle (less an excess) after it suffers damage where the costs can't be recovered from someone else.

That, and only that. It doesn't cover recovery, "legal fees", personal injury, courtesy/hire cars, or a nice cup of tea to settle your nerves.

Your specific broker on your specific policy may have tacked on some extras. But that'll be entirely down to your contract, they won't necessarily apply to anyone else.
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