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stevenc370
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: MOT and indicators Reply with quote

are indicators a legal requirement for the mot? I'm making a cafe racer and defiantly would rather go with looking cool that safety
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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK and last time I asked
if they're on the bike they have to work
if you don't have any fitted its not tested/ignored.

Rules may have changed since I last Motd a bike
without flashers
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has current not

And no flashy light things
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the bike was registered after 1 st august 1986 it must have indicators fitted
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
If the bike was registered after 1 st august 1986 it must have indicators fitted


I am led to believe by the relevant literature that it must be manufactured and leave the factory with indicators, but they can be removed.

IF still fitted to the bike, they must work.


"Daytime" MOT etc allows for bikes with no lights, although "daytime" MOT isn't a real thing, but most people know what the term refers to.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 16 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
If the bike was registered after 1 st august 1986 it must have indicators fitted



...unless the bike is primary designed or adapted for off-road use, by virtue of its suspension travel, tyre design etc.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single seat offroad style

Fit knobblies and jack it up.

Alternative, tape all lights up then remove tape after.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT manual says what Paddy says.

[Updated]
Note that you have to tape over the front and rear "position lamps", not just the indicators.

[RVLR 1989]
A headlamp is distinct from a "position lamp".

A front position light is not required on a solo motorcycle with a headlamp.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding on Daytime MOT with light fitted but not indicators is and Offence I heard of at least one rider being done in London

Daytime MOT no lights apart from brake light, daytime use only!

Proper MOT all light s and indicators fitted and working

Otherwise I think the phrase is "your nicked" OK you will get away with it until you ave an accident where Police are called then your in the shit

OH and don't forget to inform your insurers if using daytime MOT it a modification in there eyes
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Daytime MOT no lights apart from brake light, daytime use only!


I wouldn't even recommend adding a brake light... its a light, therefore would likely fail you.

MOT is MOT. Its not a daytime MOT, its an MOT with advisories. Do you inform them of a slack chain and a slightly blowing exhaust, no. So why no lights. They can go rub.

This is still a blue SV650 according to my insurer.

https://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b545/paddynewman/track/2014-05-115_zpsb6124f00.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Riding on Daytime MOT with light fitted but not indicators is and Offence

What circumstances and what offence?

davebike wrote:
I heard of at least one rider being done in London

Who?
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Llama-Farmer
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Do you inform them of a slack chain and a slightly blowing exhaust, no. So why no lights. They can go rub.

This is still a blue SV650 according to my insurer.

https://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b545/paddynewman/track/2014-05-115_zpsb6124f00.jpg


Advisory MOT you could argue isn't a mod. But you can't argue that race fairings is not a mod.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for an MOT on my old streetfighter with no indicators only to be told if it has the indicator switch it should have working indicators
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My (departed) KDX 125 had lights but no indicators, but it did have the wiring and switch. I took it for an MoT. The guy called me and said he wasn't even going to test it because it had no indies. I said that as it was primarily an off-road bike by the definition of the MoT manual that it didn't need them. He said he'd go and read the manual. To his credit, he called me back and said fair enough (but caveated by saying he'd never come across this in 25 years of doing MoTs). Bike failed on a couple of other things, which I fixed, sent it back, and it passed.

Also, I taped over the indicator switch.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
I went for an MOT on my old streetfighter with no indicators only to be told if it has the indicator switch it should have working indicators


This is what I have been told too. So when I've removed indicators from any bike in the past the switch has always been taken off as well (for some reason though, they are not fussed about blacking out any signwork on the switch block indicating the switch positions)
The first time I was made aware of the requirement was at an MOT where I hadn't removed the switch - two minutes with a Philips screwdriver and the problem was no longer!!!
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
I went for an MOT on my old streetfighter with no indicators only to be told if it has the indicator switch it should have working indicators

Technically, the manual does say to fail on "A defective or insecure [indicator] switch or one which does not operate the direction indicators on the side selected."

I suppose the witty retort would be "I say, sir, how can that possibly be an indicator switch when no indicators are fitted?"

Then you get failed anyway, and he'll remember your face. Whistle

That said, my GPZ did pass with the horn wired to the "push to pass" switch with a sticky label saying "HORN Arrow"
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Ste
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 17 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daytime MOT's and the finer points of what lights and switches are allowed or should be taped up largely depends on the MOT tester and their opinion.

I had no trouble with either of the day time only MOTs I've had on bikes that had brake lights. If the MOT guy won't pass your bike if it's got a brake light fitted then that's something to put back on when you've got the MOT done!

It'd be pretty surprising if the police nicked someone for having a brake light fitted. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

If it is a road bike first used after 1st August 1986 then it needs to have indicators, unless you go through the daytime MOT fiddle.

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