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PostPosted: 00:14 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: front tyre rotation Reply with quote

Hi ,

So I changed my front tyre to Pirelli Angle GT which is their replacement for strada model( I am running strada at the back ).

I changed it because I had uneven wear across the tyre and some people suggested it could be because of doing to many knee down practices. I haven't so maybe the old owner has .


Anyway , when installing the new tyre, the tyre does not have a rotation written anywhere across the tyre which is very confusing .
It even confused the tyre shop staff .

So I went with my gut feel and installed it according to the pic below which the V shape is pointing toward the ground so that it can dispense water on wet ride.

However when having a more detailed look, on the side of the tyre I see few arrow shaped buldges which seems to suggest the way I have installed the tyre is the incorrect way as below .

Any ideas?

Out of interest , can the front tyre can be installed onto the forks either way and it does't have sides ? I checked the tyre and can not see a difference between left and right of the tyre/disc .

many thanks



How I have installed it

https://i61.tinypic.com/xm4nf7.jpg


Where the arrow is pointing which suggests the tyre has to be installed the other way


https://i58.tinypic.com/2zp2wyc.jpg
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the tyre has a particular way it should be orientated, the arrow will be much more obvious than that.
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd trust the arrow and get it swapped the other way about.... or contact Pirelli / supplier for confirmation Wink

You're right in your logic for the tyre dispersing water and this is how the pattern would be fitted to a car. It is true for bikes too but on the drive (rear) tyre, it is now generally reversed on the front where opposite forces apply as it is the braking tyre. Keeping the same rotation on the front can cause irregular tyre wear
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google shows numerous pictures of the tyre the opposite way to how you have it.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe the point of the V, at the contact area should be towards the front, so that water would be channelled back and to the sides away from the centre line.

So mounted the other way, basically. (Sorry)

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PostPosted: 01:37 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the Pirelli website shows the tyre the other way around.
I'd be surprised if it didn't have direction arrows on it.
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm,

My old tyre looked the way this does in terms of how the v points. I emailed pirelli and waiting in their reply.


If i was to change it , can i just rotate the wheel ? In another word the wheel does not have side so need to take the tyre off and rotate it , correct?
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost all pics on internet suggest i have fitted it the wrong way. Waiting on pirelli reply
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunlop Tyres wrote:
Hi, I'm from Dunlop motorcycle tyres and I hope what follows explains why front and rear tread patterns are in opposite directions to each other.

Tread patterns have several other duties other than evacuating water. One of which is to contribute to even-tread-wear characteristics, i.e. not wear out in a stepped manner that can affect a bike's handling towards the end of the tyre's life.

In order to give smooth, even wear the tread grooves need to be aligned with the forces acting upon the tyre. With the rear tyre the forces are accelerative (from the engine) and cornering. The further the bike is leaned over the less effect the accelerative forces have because the amount you're on the gas reduces as lean angles increase. But as the bike is leaned further over the more the cornering forces come into effect.

So in the centre of the tyre the grooves tend to be more circumferential in order to align them with the accelerative forces pushing the bike forwards at more upright angles. But the grooves gradually arc outwards towards the tyre's shoulders as the cornering forces come increasingly into play. Hence, even though most tyre tread designs differ from each other you will usually find large elements of arcing tread design. And those tyres that don't follow this principle tend to have poorer wear characteristics.

Because bikes are not 2-wheel-drive vehicles, the forces acting upon a front tyre are not accelerative and cornering but braking and cornering. Braking forces affect a rear tyre a little but they are overwhelmed by the accelerative forces. The vast majority of the bike's braking is done by the front tyre and braking forces are in the opposite direction to accelerative forces so in order the align the tread grooves with these forces from upright to leaned over they need to be in the opposite direction to rear tyre tread grooves.

This principle holds true for all of our road and race radial tyres: Roadsmart, Qualifier, Qualifier II, Qualifier RR, GPR Alpha-10, GP Racer D209 and D211GP.

If it's the thought of poor water evacuation that's concerning you, don't worry. When it's raining, research with our development riders has found that on the road, riders rarely lean beyond 28 degrees. 25 to 30 degrees being the usual range, depending on the rider's experience and riding style. So the grooves that clear the majority of the water are concentrated in this zone of the tyre and you'll notice that the grooves in this area of your tyres are largely circumferential on both front and rear, so no problems with water evacuation straight out from the rear of the tyre's contact patch.

New developments in compounding are also having a greater effect on a tyre's wet road grip. The Qualifier RR has as much wet road grip as all-round sports-touring tyres of just a few years ago, despite having far less tread grooves.

When the road dries out you use bigger lean angles so we reduce the amount of grooves further out towards the shoulders, where there is reduced need for water clearance. By having less grooves on the tyre's shoulders, and hence more rubber in contact with the road, dry road grip is increased.

I hope that helps.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PR3 front look like their on the wrong way round too with the arrows facing backwards...
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool , i have emailed them and will post back. Agree with every one here and think i need to rotate it but just waiting for final confirmation from them


Re rotating can i simply rotate the wheel without taking the tyre off and rotate?
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
Re rotating can i simply rotate the wheel without taking the tyre off and rotate?


You would have to swap the spacers and speedo drive over!
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit late now, but if the tyre was the wrong way round, the angel would be upside down?
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
Cool , i have emailed them and will post back. Agree with every one here and think i need to rotate it but just waiting for final confirmation from them


Re rotating can i simply rotate the wheel without taking the tyre off and rotate?


No,most wheels are directional themselves and have an arrow stating which way they should go.......

You may be able to by swapping over spacers etc but is it worth it.....bite the bullet and get it done.

Who put the tyre on? Idiots Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will have a further look but both sides looked identical to me and the axle cabs are exactly the same , no spacer speedo wire or anything.

It was a tyre shop and he was confused also . Why pirelli want to make people life hard? Cant they just show it?
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it turns out they are the wrong way round, take it back to whoever fitted them and explain, ask them to swap it round for free.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it say 'Made in China' on the sidewall like so many Pirelli tyres nowadays?
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tread pattern direction looks wrong in the first photo and the second photo of the directional arrow confirms it.

Take it back to the place which fitted it and in the nicest possible way point out the arrow and ask them to fix it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd reckon the wrong way around, too, sorry. My PR2 looks opposite to that, with the same effect.



Uneven tyre wear on the front is a result of the side of the road you ride on - if you drive on the left, the right hand shoulder wears faster, and vice versa. This is because on a right hand bend, you're always on the outside of the bend and going further. This adds up to a LOT more miles travelled on the right than the left, even though it doesn't seem like a lot.

it's nothing to do with road camber or knee-down (usually... Wink ).
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is definitely on the wrong way round. Uneven tyre wear can be down to suspension settings or tyre pressures. Or in the case of Bridgestones, just being a Bridgestone.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Re: front tyre rotation Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:

Anyway , when installing the new tyre, the tyre does not have a rotation written anywhere across the tyre which is very confusing .
It even confused the tyre shop staff .


No 6

As well as all the pic's on pirelli site show it the other way up. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 21 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Majority of bike rotational tyres are to be fitted like so:

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10380969_10152903912960606_1664444798206037410_n.jpg?oh=aa4b44b677d2332cb2324d4430fa2d85&oe=550288F0



Rear tyre, the cuts/sipes are facing 'forwards'.
Front tyre, the cuts/sipes are facing 'backwards'.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 26 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is right, pirelli came back to me saying it was fitted the wrong way .

thanks all for your help and something new learned !
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 26 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is on backwards, your rear tyre is under load when accelerating but your front is under load during braking hence the difference in tread orientation.
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