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should Chad Evans be allowed to return to football?
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: should Chad "the rapist" Evans be allowed to retur Reply with quote

As above should he be allowed to play football again. Despite he been convicted of rape and been completely unapologetic
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, he should be hung.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the point in serving time if you can't try to reintegrate back into society afterwards?

Kinda defies the point of rehabilitative/punitive sentencing, really.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the most part i believe people should be able to reintegrate, but he is almost a celebraty and will be seen as role model for some. I'm not sure an unrepentant rapist is a good role model. I have no problem with him getting another job, I'm just not sure it should be one that's in the public eye
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Re: should Chad "the rapist" Evans be allowed to r Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
As above should he be allowed to play football again. Despite he been convicted of rape and been completely unapologetic


Reason he is coming across unapologetic is he believes he is innocent. If he said sorry that would come across as admitting he did it.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
What's the point in serving time if you can't try to reintegrate back into society afterwards?

Kinda defies the point of rehabilitative/punitive sentencing, really.


Completely this, but he's going to have a very hard time from the terraces and so will any club that employs him.

I'm actually quite surprised he wants to expose himself to the kind of abuse he's going to get, he's either brave or foolish, unless he wins his appeal.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read up alot on this, and im not entirely sure he is the monster he is being made out to be, of course most mindless drones jump on the bandwagon.

19 year old slag, gets drunk and goes to bed with two YOUNG men, denies knowledge of consent but looks more than happy on CCTV being led to bed, obviously was shamed and needed a scapegoat.
Said drink was spiked which it wasnt, but she did have cocaine and weed in her system, which is denied taking.
Obviously utter lies from the bitch, nobody in the right mind would spike a drink with cocaine and cannabis.

Morally he should have known better, but in these types of cases there is always something that makes me suspicious.

A famous ish sports star has young women fall over themselves to suck the guys dick, ive seen it with my own eyes, i cant see a probable enough cause for him to rape.

For me, this kind of case devalues what i consider real rape to be.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: should he come back Reply with quote

We have a system, the system is there so that the crime is punished. Once you have served the time you should then be allowed to try and return to as normal life as possible.

Anyone with a criminal record seems to have to be punished over and over as lots of jobs require a disclosure.

The most interesting part is that every time he goes onto a pitch he will be reminded in no uncertain terms of what he has been punished for.

I've been to matches where convicted players have been hurled abuse for 90 mins, so in a way he will be 'punished' every Saturday. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave2k wrote:
I read up alot on this, and im not entirely sure he is the monster he is being made out to be, of course most mindless drones jump on the bandwagon.

19 year old slag, gets drunk and goes to bed with two YOUNG men, denies knowledge of consent but looks more than happy on CCTV being led to bed, obviously was shamed and needed a scapegoat.
Said drink was spiked which it wasnt, but she did have cocaine and weed in her system, which is denied taking.
Obviously utter lies from the bitch, nobody in the right mind would spike a drink with cocaine and cannabis.

Morally he should have known better, but in these types of cases there is always something that makes me suspicious.

A famous ish sports star has young women fall over themselves to suck the guys dick, ive seen it with my own eyes, i cant see a probable enough cause for him to rape.

For me, this kind of case devalues what i consider real rape to be.


The thing is, he was found guilty after a trial, and that evidence you mention would have been presented to the judge and jury.. He can say he didn't do it all he likes, but unless that conviction is quashed, he did..

I'm not sure I agree with 'probable cause' either, just cos he can get it elsewhere doesn't mean she consented to him getting it there.

I'm divided really on whether he should go back to work. I wouldn't have a job to go to with a criminal record let alone being on the register. I would suggest that most people here would be sacked if they were found guilty of rape, if only because their employers didn't want to be seen as people who employ rapists.

On the other hand, he's been punished, and we are meant to provide a rehabilitative approach to 'justice' in this country.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why he can't return to football, he has served his time, and it is not a Notifiable Occupation.

Whether the club takes him back is up to the club.. and I guess the club is there to entertain their *fans*.

swampy wrote:

I would suggest that most people here would be sacked


I dare say he got the sack for not turning up to work for over two years. The question is should his old job be offered back to him.

I agree that he is guilty, and reading the facts I would have never done what he did. I also agree Clayton is not guilty, as she went back with him.

However, this does point out why you have to be careful what you say. If he did not admit the sex, he would of got off.

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's fair to call the victim a slag. Just because she may not have said no doesn't automatically mean she said yes. And by the sound of things she was well and truly plastered before she was lead to the hotel.

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In sentencing him to five years in prison the judge said: "The complainant was 19 years of age and was extremely intoxicated.


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"CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend.

"As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse.

"When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that."

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PostPosted: 21:09 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scumbag sex offender who knew he was in the wrong as he went out a fire escape, and has since shown no remorse and regret whilst his cunt cronies still hound the poor girl. Fuck him, Oldham and any other club who's wanted to employ him.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol intoxication isnt an excuse, she was sober enough to be led into the hotel and says she remembers the having sex.

Being passed out and dragged in would be different.

Ive woken up before with a woman i dont really remember pulling before, i dont remember 'consenting' before either nor does she probably.

I certainly dont like the fact that she could have gone to the police and my entire life would have been destroyed following the event.

She knew what she was doing, with exactly who she was doing it with, she is certainly no angel, just like Evans is no monster.

Him being a egotistical dick makes neither the difference
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedPanda wrote:
Scumbag sex offender who knew he was in the wrong as he went out a fire escape,

So any famous person that leaves a public establishment by a less-public exis knows they are in the wrong?


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The thing is, he was found guilty after a trial, and that evidence you mention would have been presented to the judge and jury.. He can say he didn't do it all he likes, but unless that conviction is quashed, he did..

As far as the media and many others are concerned.
Having been prosecuted for something I wasn't guilty of but couldn't (afford to) provide a defense that I wasn't I'm well aware that the courts aren't the be all and end all of 'fact'.
Far from it, often.
In my case, I later found out that police DID have some evidence which pointed to my innocence, but this was the one item that did NOT appear in court.

(My case was a mere 3 points and fine, so overall very menial in the grand scheme of things.)

There are plenty of cases of people being found guilty in even more serious cases and later being acquitted on appeal.

If the 'victim' had been a man, with the same evidence given, I wonder what the outcome would have been.
(Well, I don't - I suspect the police would have laughed at him, said "nice one, stop boasting" and sent him on his way.)
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
RedPanda wrote:
Scumbag sex offender who knew he was in the wrong as he went out a fire escape,

So any famous person that leaves a public establishment by a less-public exis knows they are in the wrong?


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The thing is, he was found guilty after a trial, and that evidence you mention would have been presented to the judge and jury.. He can say he didn't do it all he likes, but unless that conviction is quashed, he did..

As far as the media and many others are concerned.
Having been prosecuted for something I wasn't guilty of but couldn't (afford to) provide a defense that I wasn't I'm well aware that the courts aren't the be all and end all of 'fact'.
Far from it, often.
In my case, I later found out that police DID have some evidence which pointed to my innocence, but this was the one item that did NOT appear in court.

(My case was a mere 3 points and fine, so overall very menial in the grand scheme of things.)

There are plenty of cases of people being found guilty in even more serious cases and later being acquitted on appeal.

If the 'victim' had been a man, with the same evidence given, I wonder what the outcome would have been.
(Well, I don't - I suspect the police would have laughed at him, said "nice one, stop boasting" and sent him on his way.)


Jury trial ?

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I said 'unless his conviction is quashed' I understand he appealing, so we'll see then eh ?
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is allowed. No one wants him though. It'll be a terrible business decision for most clubs to take him on. Maybe one that needs the publicity would suit. He's certainly not worth paying much at all. In my opinion he doesn't deserve to have been released early. Never mind be all over the papers claiming to be innocent constantly. People are seeing "drunk girl" and immediately making huge assumptions about the case. Its not easy to convict someone of rape in this country. Despite what the papers might lead you to think with all the false attention seeking accusations.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magistrate for me.

But yes, my point is that the facts don't suddenly change because he has a peace of people of paper that says 'naughty boy' or 'innocent'.

Nope Omega, I've read through various articles, including plenty written by people that believe he's guilty.
None of the evidence adds up to 'guilty of rape' as I believe it's normally thought of by most people.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's either a rapist or a scumbag that cheats on his missus to have sex with horrorshow drunk birds post kebab in seedy hotel rooms - bit like most footballers, then....

Probably best place for him back in a footy club - keep him with the other riff raff I say.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Magistrate for me.

But yes, my point is that the facts don't suddenly change because he has a peace of people of paper that says 'naughty boy' or 'innocent'.


No, but in your case you had to convince three blokes. In this case they had to convince 12 and the judge had to agree the conviction was sound.

Your not really comparing like for like in your case versus his..
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thus, perhaps, why I stated; 'overall very menial in the grand scheme of things' Wink.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldham Athletic do have previous for employing convicts in positions where they can be called a "role-model". Anyone remember the twunt Lee Hughes, caused death by dangerous driving when he crashed in to someone, and then fled the scene reportedly to avoid a breath test before turning himself in to police 36 hours later?

Whether Evans did or didn't, he put himself in the position where he could be accused of rape, and the only person who could control his situation was him. The club know his history and seem to work on the principle of no publicity being bad publicity, but they are going to take some shit for it, and Evans is going to be vilified every week by opposition fans. Someone mentioned above that his employment isn't the issue, it's the fact that he is a public figure, regardless of how large his 'status' is.

To:dr - employed, yes, but as a footballer, no....
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.chedevans.com/

I used to think nobody should sign him, but I've changed my mind now. I think he's probably getting cleared on appeal.

danjameswhitt wrote:
Whether Evans did or didn't, he put himself in the position where he could be accused of rape,

What a fucking stupid thing to say.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 08 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
https://www.chedevans.com/


Some interesting reading
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 08 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read of a case recently (think it was the "tiger porn" one) where a defence was found and the conviction quashed on the 3rd appeal.

There must be hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent people out there who give up hope after the initial conviction or first appeal and live with their convictions. Just goes to show that if you are innocent it is worth taking it all the way.
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