urban tanks!

[White Noise]

hi all
sorry if this has been posted before but think people should sign up to get rid of these urban tanks!


https://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/

WN
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

If they wanted to stop global warming they'd kick little shit's like me off of old air-cooled 2-stroke's!

Theyll never catch me though!
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[california_rookie]

Bah. Telling people what to drive is rediculous. If owning a big 4x4 didn't suit one's lifestyle, one probably wouldn't have been inclined to purchase said vehicle in the first place.
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[Ste]

I'd also like to ban all these 180mph super bikes from out roads, I mean, what does anyone possibly need a bike which is capable of doing 180mph for? Get these dangerous idiots off our roads before they kill more people!!

Just as reasonable and as logical as wanting to ban 4x4's, I neither have a bike or a 4x4, so ban both of them.

[Kickstart]

Fine, if you are happy with them getting us banned from using bikes.

Why is everyone so keen to screw up the lives of those who they do not share an interest with?

All the best

Keith
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[mr.z]

How popular do you think motorcycles are? what happens when people decide they are dirty smelly and dangerous...?

4x4 are just fashonable, people will get bored of them eventually...
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[White Noise]

i really hope they go out of fashion soon, i hate the things!, if you live in the country nd do go off road have one as you need it, but why do people need them to do the school run?
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[kasandrich]

What is it with picking on 4X4 drivers?

What about people carriers that do 10mpg, or white van man, in his company supplied van, for his personal transport for 1?

Or aircraft.......they burn galllons and gallons of high octane fuel, totally out of context with cars.

May I point out to anyone who is interested, that my 4X4 does about the same consumption as my bike, but my 4X4 will carry 5 people and their luggage.......now which sounds more reasonable?

If bike sites like this are to support the abolishment of unneccesary vehicles...........watch this space, motorcycles over 125, and all 2 strokes could be next
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Richard

CBR1000FM

[hugo-a-gogo]

this "ban 4x4" idea doesn't really stand up to argument

Honda CRV Crash rating 4/5
Vauxhall Omega Crash rating 3/5
Honda CRV Crash Pedestrian Impact rating rating 3/4
Vauxhall Omega Pedestrian Impact rating 2/4
Honda CRV kerb weight 1517kg
Vauxhall Omega kerb weight 1695kg
Honda CRV extra urban mpg 31.4
Vauxhall Omega extra urban 26.65

is an s-class mercedes or a big jaguar or an MPV any more sensible?
does a ferrari or a dodge viper use less fuel than a diesel VW tuareg?
how do you define a 4x4? are those old 4x4 fiat pandas they used to make ok? what about the 2 wheel drive RAV4 toyotas?
what about when the 4wd is switched off on some cars?

this idea started off in america where the so-called SUVs are defined as 'light trucks' so don't have to meet the same emissions and economy standards as 'normal' cars - that isn't the case here
if they want to campaign for fuel economy standards for all cars, then fair enough, but this campaign is just ignorant
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[instigator]

I'm not overly against 4 x 4's, I'm just against new vehicles that have shite mpg.

As for the "they can crush kids easier" theory......hell, kids should be on the pavement. Daft lil' bastards. The road isnt a playground.



except for bikers

[Josh]

I hate it when people mindlessly sign anti biker petitions without any actual knowledge or insight into biking and bikers.
So I won't sign that, because I'm too lazy to research it, in fact my post seems quite mean, just stating my opinion on people who "spam petition" and so on.
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[fuel]

[kasandrich]

[Ste]

[kasandrich]

......and if you don't need it for the school run, but you do have another use for it?

.......is it being suggested it would be better to have an addidtional car for the school run? ......get real, if thats the car you have you use it for everything, even if you 4X4 need is minimal in terms of mileage.
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Richard

CBR1000FM

[instigator]

kasa - I state new vehicles. Your bike would be how old? The RG500 made what, 10-15mpg?? But that bikes ancient, I hold no grudge against that.

[Gazdaman]

Sounds like somebody went ahead and created a website without giving it thorough thought.

I remember seeing the topic on an american talk show whilst in Florida "are SUV's unpatriotic".

Cars with low mpg are fairly nasty, (we had a Jag 4.2 litre, it had 2 petrol tanks), and they do have fairly good child squashing ability, but this is all relative.

Some people just need to live and let live.

Gaz

[Flip]

4x4's are cool. Too many are sold for the goverment to even think off banning them. Hey, let ban cars so that the bikes can have the roads to themselves. . Builders and landscape gardeners sometimes use 4x4's because they need them for work. They're usefull.

Besides, I'm gonna get a Hi-lux next year (hopefully) and carry the ZXR on the back Much cooler then a trailer.

[cagiva gezzer]

The global warming bit made me chuckle!

Doing my dissertation of global warming related stuff so I've had plenty of time to read up on it and dispel many misconceptions.

Global warming isn’t proven to be an issue, but many more scientists believe in it than don’t believe in it. Putting that to the side, many people think that global warming is caused by big cars (4x4’s in this country, or just America in general.)

A nice little fact for you - The underground coal fires in the northern regions of China ALONE account for as much as 2–3% of the annual world emission of atmospheric CO2 from burning fossil fuels. This is equivalent to the CO2 emitted per annum from all vehicles in the United States- (Stracher, G.B. and Taylor T.P. (2004). Coal fires burning out of control around the world: thermodynamic recipe for environmental catastrophe. International Journal of Coal Geology ,59, (2004) 7– 17).

So, one group of fires in China release more CO2 than all the cars in the USA. Really think getting a few people to swap from their landies to an escort will make the slightest difference when there are 1000’s of underground fires pumping out GHG’s ??????

Although every little counts, it’s hardly noticeable.

The issue of lack of oil/pertol is a major issue, but we’ve just reached the peak of production so we’ve got plenty of time (50+ yrs I think) before we really start fighting over it.

Stop picking on people and using feeble pathetic excuses that don’t stand up.

The “environmental record” tries to have it in for 4x4’s, but really just says that all diesels are bad.
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[kasandrich]

Think you've got it there Gaz, live and let live.

Instigator, my bike is nearly 13 years old, but how many miles to the gallon does a new Hyabusa, or GSXR1000, or R1 do?

For crying out loud Andy's 50cc 2 stroke doesn't do much better than 30 to the gallon, he is always putting petrol in it.

By the way he is re-taking his test next tuesday morning.
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Richard

CBR1000FM

[instigator]

[Rollins]

The fact that only 7% of new cars last year were SUV types - why aren't they campaigning about the other 93% of vehicles all emitting nearly as much, sometimes less C02?

I'm sure banning BM's, Mercs and Jags etc would have more effect. Besides, 4x4's are nothing more than fashionable right now - just look at hip-hop, football - fashion driven, it'll soon change.
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[Wave2k]

People Drive what they want to drive

at the end of the day, they could and probably will start a stop bikes campain in teh future.

i mean i wouldnt like someone telling my i cant buy a Ferrari cos i does 4 miles to the gallon and is too fast

Not that i can afford one anyway
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[Kickstart]

[craigT19]

i get about 35-40 mpg fro my ninja...



i personally dont have a problem with these big 4x4's other than the fact if i was to get hit my one (on my bike) due to how tall they are its fairly likely ill end up under it as it would be hitting me in the waist ribs area (side impact, sports 600).


But meh...if u worry about that kinda crap...,may as well lock yourself in a empty padded room now
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