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Iain.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Diesel hot hatch - 2k budget. Reply with quote

Sporty diesel, but without the insurance pricetag of the Golf GT TDi.

Ibiza FR PD130 seems a very good bet. Six speed box, 130bhp motor which is massively tuneable.

Stylings good, well specced & VW build quality. Decent MPG too for when going on a long run.

https://www.selectvehiclespares.co.uk/ekmps/shops/selectsalvage/images/seat-ibiza-6l-tdi-fr-pd-130-diesel-black-breaking-for-spares-parts-salvage-[2]-2846-p.jpg

What else is there to keep an eye out for? Confused
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never owned one but Alfa Romeo have a few sporty diesel shopping trollies at reasonable prices .
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looked at 147 JTD's too but the Alfa badge scares me a little.

Apparently masses of electrical greif to be had?
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfa GT, great looking and well spec'd, 1.9 JTD 150bhp easily remapped to 185+ and economical.

I've had had three Alfas, two were 100% reliable and kept both for four years. The one in between was the newest (two years old) and had a few electrical gremlins. The age you will be looking at in your price range they will generally be well sorted.
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:
Looked at 147 JTD's too but the Alfa badge scares me a little.

Apparently masses of electrical greif to be had?


I would worry more about a German car. With an Alfa the bits that fail are those made by Bosche

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PostPosted: 00:52 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That era Volkswagen are pretty seriously unreliable in regards to its electronic system especially.

Owned one myself and was the most unreliable car I've owned to date , and I own an American car now !,.

My brother owned a 2001 golf 2.8 v6 4 motion and had nothing but electronic problems , not learning just bought an 2004 gti and is reliving the misery .

I'd actually rather own an Alfa than anything vw from that era

I'd put a tvr in the same league as the electronic reliability .
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much do the Fabia vRS diesels go for now?
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony_d123 wrote:
Alfa GT, great looking and well spec'd, 1.9 JTD 150bhp easily remapped to 185+ and economical.


I like.

The insurance company however says no & offers a best quote of £1500/year compared to £1k/year on the Ibiza.

A pre-facelift 147 however comes in at £1k/year which isn't bad....and theres some out there with the red leather. Wub

However, a facelift 148bhp version with the leather and such is £1200/year. Am happy to pay the extra £200 for a quicker engine given I'll have some NCB in April.

**Edit, played with it some more & managed to get said 148bhp facelift down to £1k**

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How much do the Fabia vRS diesels go for now?


There's a few on budget, however they're all getting on for the 200k mark. Seems you get the same as you do with the Seat, but with more miles and at a higher cost for whats imo a more ugly car Confused
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£1k/year Folded arms
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd prefer a petrol.

However when I can have 30bhp more, two seconds less on the 0-60 and 10mph on the top end compared to the 1.6 petrol model that I can insure for the same monies it starts to become appealing...I even get a six speed gearbox with the diesel compared to the petrols five speed! Laughing

Oh and 60mpg on the motorway making weekend breaks that bit more affordable. Why would I buy the slower, worse specced car thats going to cost me more to run? Confused

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£1k/year


I'm uninsurable on practicly everything. The 1.5 Dci clio, 65 base model five door is £850/year to insure Laughing

Cheapest insurance quote I have ever got in my life was on an ex MOD landrover 2.5 N/A diesel and that was £500

Medical condition, zero NCB, Crashes, points, and a shit postcode don't help me unfourtunately. Most of my vehicles cost £1500-2k a year to insure so I'm pretty pleased with the drop since turning 25. The volvo was £980 and they refunded me £12 when I switched to the Arosa. I figure I may as well have something I actually enjoy if I'm being bumfucked on insurance.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:

Medical condition


Cannot be used for either rating or acceptance criteria....
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Cannot be used for either rating or acceptance criteria....


So why do they ask then? Confused

I mean not being funny, insurance prices are some sort of black art. If I go under £200 excess the policy goes up £50. If I go over £300 excess the policy goes up £25. If I go over £500 excess the policy goes up £70.

If I put my mum on as a named driver that drops it £150.

So, what we're saying is if I offer to pick up less of the repair bill should I stuff it, and let someone who's not used to the car use it from time to time then it's going to cost me less to insure it?

Insurance for cars makes no sense.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:

So, what we're saying is if I offer to pick up less of the repair bill should I stuff it, and let someone who's not used to the car use it from time to time then it's going to cost me less to insure it?

Having someone who's statistically much less likely to cause a claim drive the car some of the time seems a quite reasonable reason to reduce the cost.

I expect a lot of the time it's done on statistics, which is why you get some funny results.

For instance, initially people put a higher excess to get cheaper insurance. But then they find this sort of person is also more likely to cause a claim, so the system associates a higher risk with that profile and increases the price.

Often you can add further extra named drivers and reduce it more.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
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And hot hatch.

Can you spot the deliberate mistake in this sentence children?
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:

So why do they ask then? Confused


Because it's still a determinate of risk, whether insurers are allowed to use it or not. Eg if you didn't ask and didn't capture, then in 10 years if the Disability Discrimination Act changes and you CAN use it as a factor then you'd have no data on which to base your decision.

It's a bit tightropey though, in respect of DPA.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Can you spot the deliberate mistake in this sentence children?


I seem to recall top gear testing a Seat or possibly a Skoda of some sort a while ago. They took the top of the line diesel and raced it against the top of the line petrol round the track. Petrol got spanked.

Plan B is just to go and buy an MX-5, as it's cheaper to insure, rear wheel drive and generally a very good drive. However somethings telling me to use my head and try and find a balance of performance and economy. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MX-5.

Way, way more 'fun'.

Use the insurance savings on fuel rear tyres.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have driven a couple and theyre a real drivers car. RWD too which is a massive bonus.

Possibility of going overseas this year, so the whole no roof thing is also quite appealing. Reasonable spec. Clean ones out there well under the 2k budget.

Also never have to drive peoples kids around... Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, still think they might be the most fun vehicle road car I've driven - not as sporty as the the M3s or Kit car I've had, but for England roads those are perhaps a bit too much.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you looked at slightly larger cars? Hot hatches tend to get crashed a lot, whereas saloons with larger engines are also bought by grown ups who don't slide around corners.

For example, my brother just bought his first car and after much research found that he could get a 1.6 SXi Astra insured for about £500 less than a 1.2 SXi Corsa.

There's a lot of older Mercs and Beemers out there that could be persuaded into giving decent performance with comfort and RWD.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an mx5 mk 2.5

Great car , had an aftermarket turbo on it which just made it unbelievably fun although a bit of a handful on the skinny original tires .
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:
However when I can have 30bhp more, two seconds less on the 0-60 and 10mph on the top end compared to the 1.6 petrol model that I can insure for the same monies it starts to become appealing...I even get a six speed gearbox with the diesel compared to the petrols five speed! Laughing


Throttle response.

A diesel may be faster, but the petrol should feel quicker. Fun vs top trumps is why petrol is better. That said, I have a 330d as my daily driver (don't buy one!).
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 10 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega 2.2DTi can be insured for £1200.

Mercs are all well on their way to 200k miles, and the BMW insurance skyrocketed when the drift scene got popular & everyone put E36's through hedges/walls.
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