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PostPosted: 02:43 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: How to prevent electrical fails Reply with quote

Hello All

I was wondering, what causes the electrical system to fail in the Honda CB-1?

Is there a way of decreasing the chance of being stuck somewhere late at night with no power?

I always make sure the battery is topped up and have fitted a moto batt. What other precautions can I take?
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PostPosted: 02:52 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strip down and clean electrical connector blocks. Reassemble with dielectric or silicon grease.

I've done that to all the GN's ignition circuits and it never missed a beat in sustained, absolutely torrential, rainfall in portugal. Whether it would have been okay without the treatment I don't know it's hard to say.
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PostPosted: 05:36 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carry small can of wd40.

If electrical fails are wet ignition coils or spark plugs, consider a fenda extenda or similar. My coils live just above the front cylinder head and I was forever spraying out the low voltage connectors with wd40 when it rained until I discovered these.

Ensure all crimp connectors are properly done with the correct dies in a ratchet crimper, way more secure than attempts at making connections with pliers.

Make sure your soldered joints are done properly, and properly insulated with heatshrink.

Don't use scotchlock connectors, they are a recipe for broken cables that will cause intermittent or hard to diagnose failures. Avoid pre-insulated bullet connectors. Use uninsualted connectors and silicone rubber sleeves, they are less prone to failure. Replace oem connectors like for like or fit premium waterproof connectors like this
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285803026

Check your wiring loom for damage. Ensure that cable runs are protected with tape or sheathing, and are held securely with zip ties so that cables cannot become trapped in moving parts.
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
Carry small can of wd40.

If electrical fails are wet ignition coils or spark plugs, consider a fenda extenda or similar. My coils live just above the front cylinder head and I was forever spraying out the low voltage connectors with wd40 when it rained until I discovered these.

Ensure all crimp connectors are properly done with the correct dies in a ratchet crimper, way more secure than attempts at making connections with pliers.

Make sure your soldered joints are done properly, and properly insulated with heatshrink.

Don't use scotchlock connectors, they are a recipe for broken cables that will cause intermittent or hard to diagnose failures. Avoid pre-insulated bullet connectors. Use uninsualted connectors and silicone rubber sleeves, they are less prone to failure. Replace oem connectors like for like or fit premium waterproof connectors like this
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285803026

Check your wiring loom for damage. Ensure that cable runs are protected with tape or sheathing, and are held securely with zip ties so that cables cannot become trapped in moving parts.


Nice! Thanks for the information, I need to replace the throttle cables next week so I will make sure the main loom is still in decent condition, good thing for me is the bike is all stock except for the rec/stator, Right now everything works 100% and I want to keep it that way.

Just to get an opinion, when its idling the lights are brighter but flicker.
When I'm driving along/revving the lights are slightly dimmer but steady, is this normal?
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself a decent multimeter and do regular checks across the battery terminals:

1. Before starting the bike, after it has been standing for more than an hour.
2. Ignition on, engine not running.
3. Engine warm and running at normal tick-over.
4. Engine running at 3-4000 rpm.
5. After a ride, everything switched off.
6. After a ride, everything switched off, about 1 hour later.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 13 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second the WD-40, my bike kept cutting our during the rain.
Sprayed WD-40 all over the wires and not had a problem since Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could pre-emtively replace the reg/rec with a mosfet type.

Many would consider this to be going too far though.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You could pre-emtively replace the reg/rec with a mosfet type.

Many would consider this to be going too far though.


If you are doing this, I'd then hardwire the R/R with heavy gauge cable (and a fuse) direct across the battery terminals to minimise voltage drop and to ensure the battery gets the full voltage.

To give you an idea how much voltage drop can accrue across old, shitty wires and switches: The voltage across my (lit) headlight is 13.6V whilst at the exact same time the voltage across my battery is a nice 14.4V. So about 0.8V of drop between crusty old wires and ignition switch/light switch/beam selector....
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
Get yourself a decent multimeter and do regular checks across the battery terminals:

1. Before starting the bike, after it has been standing for more than an hour.
2. Ignition on, engine not running.
3. Engine warm and running at normal tick-over.
4. Engine running at 3-4000 rpm.
5. After a ride, everything switched off.
6. After a ride, everything switched off, about 1 hour later.


Or... 99p eBay voltage meter taped to clocks.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Taught2BCautious wrote:
Get yourself a decent multimeter and do regular checks across the battery terminals:

1. Before starting the bike, after it has been standing for more than an hour.
2. Ignition on, engine not running.
3. Engine warm and running at normal tick-over.
4. Engine running at 3-4000 rpm.
5. After a ride, everything switched off.
6. After a ride, everything switched off, about 1 hour later.


Or... 99p eBay voltage meter taped to clocks.


Only gives you a reading at the measuring point tho, my hardwired (at the clocks pilot light feed) voltage meter reads 13.6V whilst the battery is getting 14.4V. Not a problem, as of course 13.6V still shows the alternator is obviously working, but you do have to account for it if doing diagnostic work.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put it across the battery, if it reads under 13, charging system not happy, if its above 15, charging system not happy.

Tells you clear as day when something needs to be looked in to stator or reg/rec wise.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I put it across the battery, if it reads under 13, charging system not happy, if its above 15, charging system not happy.

Tells you clear as day when something needs to be looked in to stator or reg/rec wise.


No need for that on a Honda, just keep your nasal passages clear and wait for the smell of a boiling battery Razz

As above, strip, clean, check, grease EVERY electrical connection.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I put it across the battery, if it reads under 13, charging system not happy, if its above 15, charging system not happy.

Tells you clear as day when something needs to be looked in to stator or reg/rec wise.


Fair shout, I thought you were talking about using one as a fixed feature, rather than taped to the clocks whilst diagnosing it. I mounted mine inside the tacho.

https://i.imgur.com/G5nnUQx.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I put it across the battery, if it reads under 13, charging system not happy, if its above 15, charging system not happy.

Tells you clear as day when something needs to be looked in to stator or reg/rec wise.


Sounds Genius, what's the catch?
Is it simply wired directly with + and - to the battery terminals?

Reason I ask is I make a lot of short journeys and batteries havent lasted long on any bike for me, so a heads up would be ideal.
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
I put it across the battery, if it reads under 13, charging system not happy, if its above 15, charging system not happy.

Tells you clear as day when something needs to be looked in to stator or reg/rec wise.


Sounds Genius, what's the catch?
Is it simply wired directly with + and - to the battery terminals?

Reason I ask is I make a lot of short journeys and batteries havent lasted long on any bike for me, so a heads up would be ideal.


Yes, but use something to give a switched supply.

In Spain Paddy's was switch operated. I opted to make mine relay operated.

https://i.imgur.com/qsm7q5fl.jpg

Helped me to diagnose an intermittently faulty RR once.
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PostPosted: 04:28 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that is cool!

I will do that, this is good: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-0-99V-3-Wire-LED-Digital-Display-Panel-Volt-Meter-Voltage-Voltmeter-Car-Motor-/171509797285?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item27eec7d1a5

I will go through the connectors as I see them/happen by them in other maintenance. Right now, the bike functions correctly but I had to replace a weak battery as it was so low and would not hold a charge. As I said, the bikes lights are steady when above 4,000 Rpm and flicker slightly when below that... as far as I know this is normal.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mounted mine on the fuse box cover and wired it into the switched relay I fitted for my heated grips (which is also, handily, under the fusebox cover). I epoxied it in and covered the circuitry on the back with epoxt too so it's weatherproof.

Yellow LEDs FTW.

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