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PostPosted: 22:08 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: IAM course Reply with quote

https://www.iam.org.uk/riders/riders-courses

are above courses any good ?

has anyone joined them and what do you get ?
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think you get any mechanical advice.

You posted in the workshop section.... Wink
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry how do i move it?
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't. Don't sweat it.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are worth doing - they help you to think about what you are actually doing on the bike; optimising your position, speed, gear usage etc. so that you are smoother, safer and (as a by-product) faster.

Your local group will probably do a free ride-out session with you, where you go out for an hour with an observer and see what it is all about. Mine ( https://tvam.org ) certainly do. That's the best way to see if it is for you or not.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is it all boring etc or you actually learn something which you can also use on track days?

is it all about been safe or pushing to limit ?
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bloke who ran my ride aware course said not to

Reason being you ride smoother and safer therefore start to become complacent

This is when you will crash

Normally on these courses at least three out of 8 taking them are advanced riders
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depend what you call boring.

It's not at all track-day orientated (although my group do additional courses like advanced braking - which takes place on an RAF runway and includes locking up both your front and back wheels so you understand how far you can push things, or Look Lean and Roll for better cornering).

The main aim is to improve your road riding- e.g. how you position yourself for maximum visibility on bends, how to approach them so you can get through them faster and safer, improving your observation skills so that you get more time to react to changing road conditions. A good advanced rider makes everything look effortless and smooth, whilst still riding at a good pace.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks , I am right assuming you pay the membership for a year which is approximately £150 and then join local clubs and occasionally you may have to pay for the observer fuel cost which is £15ish ?

If you do track days or on runways , do you have to pay more ?

how do you book into the sessions and how often they are ?

many thanks
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my group, you pay the £150-ish (whatever it is now) which gives you IAM membership for a year, local group membership for a year and your test fees.

Going out with your observer is nominally free. For some groups you are expected to pay for fuel; with TVAM you don't. However it is accepted practice to buy the observer lunch and coffees whilst you are out.

The additional courses cost extra (typically about £30).

If you keep up membership after the first year it's about £35 for the IAM and whatever your local group costs are (TVAM is about £30). Obviously you don't have to do that.

The sessions with your observer are at times mutually convenient - you just make arrangements directly with your observer, and when ready for test that is normally available within a week or two (arranged at a time mutually convenient for you and the examiner - typically a Police biker).

Extra courses run two or three times a year with my group - and with my group you can book them on the website or at the monthly meetings. The monthly meetings also have ride-outs, there are group holidays etc.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

many thanks , I have just seen this school close to me and sent the following questions to them

I wanted to find out how does IAM work ? I understand I have to pay an annual fee of £149.

Is there a limit on number of session I can book into ?

How often are they ? -looking at their website it is every 2 weeks

Are there further costs or payments to be made?


I believe you have an event this Saturday , if I register , would I be able to attend ?
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's best to get the answers from your local group as to how they work, but it's not a school as such; they are all volunteers doing it for the love of it. As above, the actual ongoing annual fee is likely to be more like £60-£70 if you stay with the group after you've done your test.

For the observed rides you do as many as you need, your allocated observer will tell you when you are ready to take the test but it is all at your pace and one to one.

With my group you just turned up to the monthly meeting, they have meet-and-greet people to make newcomers welcome, you get a briefing, an observed ride out, then you can either join up and pay the fees there, or go away and think about it. No pressure either way - and the free taster makes sure that you understand what you are getting into and what you get for your money. If yours does that, I'd encourage you to do it that way.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random13 wrote:
many thanks , I have just seen this school close to me and sent the following questions to them

I wanted to find out how does IAM work ? I understand I have to pay an annual fee of £149.

Is there a limit on number of session I can book into ?

How often are they ? -looking at their website it is every 2 weeks

Are there further costs or payments to be made?


I believe you have an event this Saturday , if I register , would I be able to attend ?


£149 for the Skills For Life course, which includes one years membership.

Annual membership is £32/35 depending on method of payment.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

so can I go everymonth .

I think my local school does the training in airfield so would have thought it would include cornering and braking
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 14 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
The bloke who ran my ride aware course said not to

Reason being you ride smoother and safer therefore start to become complacent

This is when you will crash

Normally on these courses at least three out of 8 taking them are advanced riders

Err? Was this an alternative to a speeding ticket?

If so, well yes - his business requires riders to not have very good observation when riding. Be silly to suggest things that improved that Rolling Eyes.

Did he tell you that statistic too?
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random13 wrote:
so can I go everymonth .

I think my local school does the training in airfield so would have thought it would include cornering and braking


Have you got a link to their website? The normal skills for life stuff is almost all road riding - you need to interact with other vehicles and get in a lot of different situations to start to see how it fits together. You can't do that on an airfield. And whilst there are group meetings every month, the actual training is done whenever you like - sometimes I was going out a couple of times a week.

Edit: Actually, I see you are probably talking about ELAM.
Looks like they do it in a more structured way than TVAM, with defined observation dates and a more school-like format - so you'll need to talk to them about exactly how it works. For my advanced car (with RoADAR) and motorbike they were both done as ad-hoc observations rather than group sessions, although TVAM have observed rides every third Sunday of the month, where you get allocated a different observer to your own to get another person's input to your riding.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Err? Was this an alternative to a speeding ticket?



not quite its was to save a possible due care due to accidnts rather then speeding and one bloke who had never ridden a bike in his life and had checked his satnav and got done for phone use

it was strange as there were three advanced riders myself and three kids kids were daft crashes going too fast ect ect

two of the advanced riders had had accidents similer to mine

one of them going through a set of lights and a car pulled across him coming the other way
and the other one peered out from behind a parked lorry just as a car came down the road(police said he should of waited till he could see but lorry had parked for the nght)

im guessing the police are sending everyone on these courses
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:

not quite its was to save a possible due care due to accidnts rather then speeding and one bloke who had never ridden a bike in his life and had checked his satnav and got done for phone use

it was strange as there were three advanced riders myself and three kids kids were daft crashes going too fast ect ect

two of the advanced riders had had accidents similer to mine

one of them going through a set of lights and a car pulled across him coming the other way
and the other one peered out from behind a parked lorry just as a car came down the road(police said he should of waited till he could see but lorry had parked for the nght)

im guessing the police are sending everyone on these courses


They certainly seem to be getting more popular, much the same way as speed awareness courses did in their early days.



The course is supposed to be to reduce the number of cases going through court where a prosecution is a little overkill... not to start penalising everyone and their mums for having an accident
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just signed up with the ELAM group. They did a free taster session, which was cool.

£150 / yr (was some discount codes floating about too). ELAM do a day on an airfield (low speed work, e-stops, slalom etc), 3 theory nights (spaced fortnightly) and 5 compulsory observed rides (choice of Sat or Sun fortnightly). Think there's option of more rides beyond that, then the test. Observers ask for an extra tenner per ride to cover their petrol - they're volunteers you see. They have a group intake every 3 months ish. You've just missed the Jan intake.
They also seem to organise lots of social rides, tracks days, holidays and other such stuff to get involved with if you want.

Day on the airfield was really good. No crazy mad skills and thrills, just doing the basics really well. Actually really useful and fun in practice.

Got first theory night tonight, so we'll see how that goes.

Early days, but they all seem a good bunch of mixed age, background and flavour of bikes - all friendly, full of good advice and offered plenty of encouragement. Actually really looking forward to it all.
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