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ColdKill
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Best way to get an A2 licence without over paying? Reply with quote

Hey,

So I've been riding my 125 enduro for almost two years now, and used to do around 30 miles a day. My CBT will run out this year, and If I could afford it I would rather just get my A2 to have the possibility of getting a bigger bike in the future, but atm I really can't justify spending around £400 on a A2 course...

I've also heard that a full course is only useful is you have little experience, and since I've been riding for almost two years, all year round so I don't think I fall into that category.

So has anyone heard of anyone else just paying for a few hours training then doing the MOD 1 & 2 tests without paying for a full course? Would that even be possible?

Are the tests really that difficult?


EDIT: I'll add that the only reason I'm struggling to justify the £400 is only because I'm currently still a student working part time. £400 is just under a full months wages for me, then I'd have test fees on top of it.


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PostPosted: 23:16 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearer £700 for A2
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£400 is more than half what I payed. (That's including a MOD 1 retake and another CBT Certificate)
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prices depend on where you live and what schools are around you.

£400 is not a unreasonable price for the A2 license, this is my figure providing I pass first time on both tests if going through a training school.

Unless you're going to get a A2 test bike, insure it etc. and somehow get it to the test centre and pass both modules without any training then the £400 price tag is the only option.

If you can't justify £400 for the A2 license then maybe just take the Module 1 / 2 on you're 125cc and get an A1 license for now (so you've got a full license) and then wait until your 24 to upgrade to the A?

Either way you have to decide if the A2 license is worth it as the upgrade will be available after two years.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£400 is cheap, do it.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
Nearer £700 for A2


Well the training centers I've been looking at are closer to £400 for short courses (excluding test fees). I am also not worried about the test fees as its the £400 in training alone that is shocking me.

Quoted from one centre near me:

Restricted Access (A2) and Direct Access
    Short Course A2/DAS - £380.00
    Standard Course A2/DAS - £499.00
    Full course Guarantee Option - £95.00
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Training schools realise the amount of money that can be made from license's and therefore will attempt to get you to commit to expensive courses.

I finally found a company that do the following

1 Day training = £150 and then do the test at the end of the same day (test fee not included).

The reason the courses are expensive is because they include bike hire, equipment hire and sometimes use the actual test ground as well as training on the morning of the test, different companies do it different ways.

When I got the above quote in comparison to £170 for a days training alone from a school up the road, I'd rather waste the petrol than a huge sum of money.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdKill wrote:
SQL wrote:
Nearer £700 for A2


Well the training centers I've been looking at are closer to £400 for short courses (excluding test fees). I am also not worried about the test fees as its the £400 in training alone that is shocking me.

Quoted from one centre near me:

Restricted Access (A2) and Direct Access
    Short Course A2/DAS - £380.00
    Standard Course A2/DAS - £499.00
    Full course Guarantee Option - £95.00


They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.

Just taking me to my mod 1 and doing the tests cost me over £100 i think.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.


This is where emailing the training school comes into account, as with my mentioned school the test is on the same day to avoid these extra costs, and is included.

Worth shopping around.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:


They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.

Just taking me to my mod 1 and doing the tests cost me over £100 i think.


What do you mean escorting to and from the tests? Do you mean the cost of me picking up the bike from the training center and taking it to a test center? I thought the tests took place at your training center, in which case couldn't I just ride my 125 there?
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdKill wrote:
SQL wrote:


They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.

Just taking me to my mod 1 and doing the tests cost me over £100 i think.


What do you mean escorting to and from the tests? Do you mean the cost of me picking up the bike from the training center and taking it to a test center? I thought the tests took place at your training center, in which case couldn't I just ride my 125 there?


Depends where the school does the training, my MOD 1 test centre was over 20 miles away from my training school and my MOD 2 only about 10, but still costs for bike hire to and from the test centre.


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PostPosted: 23:43 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdKill wrote:
SQL wrote:


They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.

Just taking me to my mod 1 and doing the tests cost me over £100 i think.


What do you mean escorting to and from the tests? Do you mean the cost of me picking up the bike from the training center and taking it to a test center? I thought the tests took place at your training center, in which case couldn't I just ride my 125 there?



Normally you ride the bike to the test center, what if you bin the bike on mod1 and mod2 how will the trainer get back/pillion you back.

Even so you are paying for the instructors time, travel time and waiting for you to do the tests thats 1hr for both tests not including travel time.

That is call it 2 hours time you need to pay for.


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PostPosted: 23:46 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ As above.

Module 1 & 2 can be located at different sites as opposed to a CBT witch is done by one training school on a local land or car park and that's all sorted.

Training for the above modules can be done in the same way as the CBT with a mock layout of the official test site on a local piece of land or car park and then driven to the official test site.

It depends on what training school you go with and where they do there training, again another question to put to individual schools, no one can give you these answers but them.

Either way £400 for training alone (although not a bad quote at all) try shopping around, it paid of for me (with a dummy quote at least), I only currently have a CBT just to be clear.

+ You have done and passed your theory already?
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:


They are not adding on the bike hire for the tests and escorting to and from the tests I can almost bet on that.

Just taking me to my mod 1 and doing the tests cost me over £100 i think.


My mod 1 resist was £15 test fee + £40 bike hire. I met them at there training grounds, had an hours last minute training on the road and then headed to my test.

Training was £150 a day, including bike hire (MT-03) & gear if u needed it. Tests were £90 in total.

2 days training and tests cost me £390 in total (excluding retake).

So it wouldn't surprise me if he could get his training that cheap Smile
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
2 days training and tests cost me £390 in total (excluding retake).


Was that with Riders?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
Az wrote:
2 days training and tests cost me £390 in total (excluding retake).


Was that with Riders?


Yep... Riders in Yardley Wood, Birmingham.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
Yep... Riders in Yardley Wood, Birmingham.


Exactly my location of choosing when I get around to it, ideal candidate to ask then..

How good was their training and preparation for the test (as they do it on the same day), just wondering if it was worth doing two days training for each module or risk doing it all in one day.

+ How long was the training / time of the tests?

(Just forward planning).
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iginge wrote:
Az wrote:
Yep... Riders in Yardley Wood, Birmingham.


Exactly my location of choosing when I get around to it, ideal candidate to ask then..

How good was their training and preparation for the test (as they do it on the same day), just wondering if it was worth doing two days training for each module or risk doing it all in one day.

+ How long was the training / time of the tests?

(Just forward planning).


Just PM'd you, cba to type everything out lol (iPad is frustrating to type long posts on).
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PostPosted: 06:07 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know three schools - and the blokes that own and run them live in very modest houses.

I felt like I was being mugged at the time, but honestly, in retrospect I don't think there's a lot of money in it. Which isn't to suggest that there aren't guys out there who're ripping people off. However...
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PostPosted: 06:16 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it so much now?

I paid like 300 for a 3 day course, which included 2 attempts at the test (didn't get refunded for the unused second attempt though).
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
Why is it so much now?

I paid like 300 for a 3 day course, which included 2 attempts at the test (didn't get refunded for the unused second attempt though).


Mad isn't it. Did the same thing, 3 day intensive and it cost around £350 all in.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

People always complain at forking out a big sum of money to get a DAS course through a school.

Our school charges £580 for a 3 day DAS which includes test fees, bike hire, in fact the only thing not included is lunch money. For that you get 2 full days training prior to module 1 which normally is scheduled in for Saturday and Sunday. We start at around 9am and finish between 3 and 4pm with the test on the Monday. Most schools schedule their training with a test as part of day 2 (eg 1 and a half days training and mod 1 at the end of day 2.) Our day 3 is usually the day before module 2. So with us you get 3 days training and extra for mod 1 and mod 2 (we also throw in an extra hour or 2 if needed before tests.)

So lets break that down. Test fee's are almost £100. You get a minimum of 18 hours training plusbike hire to mod 1 which is at lest an hour, mod 2 at least 2 hours. So it works out you are hiring the bike and instructor for at least 21 hours. That works out at under £23 an hour after test fee's are taken into account. That is to get you up to test standard.

Compare that to the national average in cars to get you to test standard:

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There is no set figure for the cost of learning to drive, as it varies according to the number of lessons required and the location. As a rough guide; the Driving Standards Agency research shows that the average person will need at least 47 hours of lessons and 22 hours of private practice before they pass their test. The cost of lessons varies according to area, with a national average of £24 per lesson


https://www.theaa.com/aattitude/start-learning/getting-ready/how-much-does-it-cost.jsp

The national average according to the DSA is 47 hours at £24 an hour. That makes it £1128. Almost double the price of our course and that does not include test fee!

Want to tell me again how you cannot justify it? Quite a lot of DAS courses we get in are already car drivers.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
Why is it so much now?

I paid like 300 for a 3 day course, which included 2 attempts at the test (didn't get refunded for the unused second attempt though).


because back then you could have done it on a 125 yourself at a cost of near bugger-all then ridden out a 2 year restriction, so I'm guessing the schools had to price in a way that seemed attractive enough to tempt people to do it with them rather than DIY.

Now that is not an option they can bend the learner over and do them dry.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 30 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got caught without a license or insurance, what are the chances of the fine / fixed penalty bribe being cheaper than the cost of riding / driving legally? Laughing
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