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Which 125 for a 30-mile round-trip commute into central London?
Yamaha YBR125 - £2,599
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Honda CBF125 - £2,699
6%
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Honda SH125i - £3,099
12%
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Something else... explain below!
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someguy
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Which 125 for a 30-mile round-trip commute into London? Reply with quote

Subject says it all. Must be learner-legal. Please give your reasons!

Thanks,
aytri


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PostPosted: 17:49 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR 125R because its the only bike I've had a lot of experience with. But it does look very nice for a 125. I'm sure one of the senior forum members will have a better informed opinion.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Which 125 for a 30-mile round-trip commute into London? Reply with quote

NSR125, derestricted.
Light, narrow, reliable if you do some basic maintenance, some wind protection and ok power derestricted.
All in, you'll probably find yourself £2k or more up. Fuel will cost more, but this will likely be more than ofset by depreciation.
Also, if you crash it you won't lose nearly as much.

Spending nearly three thousand pounds on a slower 4 stroke than 30+ year old CB125T seems madness to me.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

Should have clarified in the original post, but it needs to be learner-legal!
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

aytri wrote:
Should have clarified in the original post, but it needs to be learner-legal!

A restricted NSR125 is learner legal.
Many, many people have ridden derestricted ones 'on L-Plates' and been absolutely fine. The nice this is you have the option to double the bike's power when you pass your test, or before if you're naughty.

I'd also consider spending <1k on a CBR125.

I presume you're too young to do DAS on pass a test to ride a bigger bike?
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a CBR125 2004 here you can buy for £500, its been sprayed black but its London, it'll be damaged in no time.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

G wrote:
I presume you're too young to do DAS on pass a test to ride a bigger bike?


No, I'm 28. But I figured that since I'll only be using the bike to do that commute (anything else would be done in the car), there wasn't much point in getting a bigger bike when London traffic is so heavy! I was thinking I could do my CBT, ride a new/nearly new 125, pass my A1 test, and then keep it until it dies. Bad idea?
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

I would either A) buy paddy's CBR for £500, or B) do your DAS and get something like a £1k SV650.

Spending lots of money on a small bike is silly because 95% of people that have 125s and try something bigger find they want something bigger.

A bigger capacity bikes makes it easier to navigate through traffic - my commuter of choice for slow traffic was a GSXR1000. I chose a 144cc for fun riding elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

aytri wrote:
pass my A1 test


You're 28.. Why not just go for a DAS test which is exactly the same thing and costs the same (if you go through a training school) and then you can ride ANY bike.. Which means you can still ride a 125 anyway if you wanted.

The problem with taking an A1 when you're 28 is the A1 is only mildly plausible (and even then isn't) to the 17 year old.

What if you do end up liking biking more and end up wanting to get a bigger bike later but have to pay £600 to do all the tests again?

Get your 125 on CBT, faff around with it, book your big boy tests.

I thought I'd keep my 125 forever (trust me I believed I would keep it) and now I'm on a bigger bike xD it's just what happens.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
Get your 125 on CBT, faff around with it, book your big boy tests.

I thought I'd keep my 125 forever (trust me I believed I would keep it) and now I'm on a bigger bike xD it's just what happens.


So what should I do? Take CBT, immediately do DAS, and buy a bigger bike right away?

Or take CBT, ride a 125 for a bit while I'm learning, then take the full cat A test, then buy the bigger bike?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

If you just want to 'try out biking', I'd go for the CBT and a cheap 125.

If you're happy to commit more money/time (but probably still less money than buying a new 125), I'd consider going straight for the DAS.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

G wrote:
If you just want to 'try out biking', I'd go for the CBT and a cheap 125.


I think that sums it up. So which one?!
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

I'd be very tempted to have a look at what Paddy has offered above.

Otherwise, I'd be looking around for a £1k or so NSR in ok nick.
Still considering other CBR125s and probably Varadero 125s.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

G wrote:
Still considering other CBR125s and probably Varadero 125s.


Just don't go purchase or consider the varadero from the member bodyguard. Unless you want to have a bike only fit for the scrapyard.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

aytri wrote:

So what should I do? Take CBT, immediately do DAS, and buy a bigger bike right away?

Or take CBT, ride a 125 for a bit while I'm learning, then take the full cat A test, then buy the bigger bike?


I took the CBT and rode a 125 for 6 months, then did my A2 test (cause I was 20).

Faffing on the 125 for 6 months did help me when it came to test/training though it does give you a head-start so to speak.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

aytri wrote:
G wrote:
If you just want to 'try out biking', I'd go for the CBT and a cheap 125.

I think that sums it up. So which one?!

A used one. The turn-key depreciation on all your candidate bikes would pay for your training and tests.

Pretty much any Japanese branded bike or scooter is going to see you right for a few months until you decide whether biking is for you. Your CBT will cover pre-ride tests. Take note, then apply those tests to any bike that you're thinking of buying.

Paddy's probably giving that CBR away, mind. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda XR125L Thumbs Up

You can get one for about a grand. No plastics means that there's nothing to damage. The taller riding position makes it easy to have a view over cars and traffic.

I remember that my handlebars were tall enough to clear car wing mirrors, but low enough to also clear the wing mirrors of buses.

Air-cooled engine similar to the CG125 is bombproof. And cheaper to insure than the CBR125. They're also great fun for pootling out into the home counties, as well as pulling wheelies and stoppies.

Cons? They're not THAT fast, so on dual carraigeways, you'll get buzzed by cars, but fine in the city commute. I used to drop my dad off from Edgware to Strand on a daily basis, and had no issues with 2 up london traffic.

Otherwise, Paddy's CBR125 for THAT price Thumbs Up You can trust paddy Karma
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
i wouldnt pick any of the bikes you have listed.
even though you will be commuting, doesnt mean you have to be bored stiff while doing it!
4 stroke : honda varadero, big "real" bike. virtually indestructable (ask Paddy) & decent upright comfy seating position. not built in india/china/thailand to a very strict budget using dubious materials (flux?)

2 stroke : NSR 125 (foxeye) seating/feet position is not quite as "sporty" as other 2t "race replicas" so its not quite as cramped compared to other sports 125's. probably the most reliable of them too. (im currently comuting on one & its not let me down yet)
parts are cheap enough & easy to obtain.
can be had in learner legal form, though it is impossible for anyone to be able to establish whether it is restricted or not Wink would need to be dyno'd.
& if you do stick to a restricted bike, once you become bored of the 14bhp, its easy enough to double that powahh.

the varadero will be quite expensive to buy,compared to most other 125 4 strokes but if looked after, you shouldnt lose any money. they are dear for a reason. big, "proper" bike, good road "presence" not as feeble looking as most others. can do silly milages on that engine.

the nsr, buy as original as possible .ie : in original colours, with no add on tat (fake c/f indicators etc). keep it this way & you will end up selling it for more than you paid. most maintence is simple enough with 99% of jobs do-able with a basic tool kit.

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PostPosted: 19:50 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

aytri wrote:
But I figured that since I'll only be using the bike to do that commute (anything else would be done in the car), there wasn't much point in getting a bigger bike when London traffic is so heavy!


London traffic on a small motorcycle wouuld be my worst nightmare. You need lots of acceleration to outrun the cars.

If you don't want to do DAS and get a bigger bike, buy an Oyster card instead.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

bogof wrote:
aytri wrote:
But I figured that since I'll only be using the bike to do that commute (anything else would be done in the car), there wasn't much point in getting a bigger bike when London traffic is so heavy!


London traffic on a small motorcycle wouuld be my worst nightmare. You need lots of acceleration to outrun the cars.

If you don't want to do DAS and get a bigger bike, buy an Oyster card instead.


Do you ride in london much?

Only experience I have is when I did the Ace Cafe toy run last december and on the way home some of the gaps the 125 bikes would squeeze through I wouldn't dare do on my bike.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:


Do you ride in london much?


Used to till I moved further north 3 years ago. Regular 50 mile e/w commute into Croydon.

Central London would be bearable on a 125 as it's useful for filtering, but anywhere that traffic speed increases a little puts you at risk, in my view.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

bogof wrote:
London traffic on a small motorcycle wouuld be my worst nightmare. You need lots of acceleration to outrun the cars.

A 125 scooter will outrun most cars in London, mostly because most cars in London aren't trying to race you off the line.

Things might be a little dicier on a 125 geared bike, if you're not good at slipping the clutch.

Spend some time on dual carriageways at rush hour, and then you'll find a fair few people trying to race small bikes off the lights. A 300 sees these guys off too, 99% of the time. If on a 125, simply don't try to race them, slip in behind.

OP: if you've never ridden before, and most of your trip is on dual carriageways, I'd recommend a 125 geared bike like CBF or YBR. If more of your commute is in 30s and 20s, with narrower, busier roads, I'd recommend the SH. But I wouldn't buy any of them new.

Aggressive filtering - not just narrow gaps, but constant lane changing and tight radius turns - is much easier on a smaller, lighter bike with lower centre of gravity. If it's mostly about narrow gaps, e.g. slow / queuing traffic on dual carriageways and motorways, then I'd agree with G and say a sportsbike is better, but that's not the mix I see on my commute.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Learner-legals only! Reply with quote

[quote="barrkel"]
bogof wrote:
OP: if you've never ridden before, and most of your trip is on dual carriageways, I'd recommend a 125 geared bike like CBF or YBR. If more of your commute is in 30s and 20s, with narrower, busier roads, I'd recommend the SH.


It's a mixture. A3 from Kingston to Wandsworth High Street, then 30s/20s until the City.

It's a tough call. I feel like learning to ride a geared bike will be fun, but once the initial fun is over and done with, I don't want it to be a hassle in town.

Might just flip a coin Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 02 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varadero, maybe with a better seat on as mine used to hurt my bum after about 15 miles

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