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PostPosted: 17:41 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Diesel bike Reply with quote

My current projects (C90, R1100s) will be finished soon. I'm now thinking about building a diesel bike for my next project. Has anyone done anything like this before? Anyone ridden a diesel bike? I've been looking on the diesel bike forum, all the guys on there really know their shit.
What's your thought's guys?
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a bespoke "invention" @ whitton castle, made by a ex-sectioned individual utilizing a robin diesel engine and a large fly-wheel 12" or so driven by a belt drive affair.... it did fall into the bracket of motorised transport ....
in the same way he fell into the bracket of homo sapiens...
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had a Diesel motor sat around and an suitable old bike with a blown engine that was hard to get parts for then yeah maybe id give that a go.

I've seen a few builds on the diesel bike's site, and while some are very basic and not very well built, there are some good ones. I'd say the keeping it simple is the only real attraction to building one though. Once you start trying to engineer it to be more than a basic plod along form of transport, it gets massively less sensible or interesting IMO.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh joys, yet another diesel bike thread.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:bikechatforums.com+"Diesel+bike"
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Diesel bike Reply with quote

yodagoat wrote:
Has anyone done anything like this before? Anyone ridden a diesel bike? I've been looking on the diesel bike forum, all the guys on there really know their shit. What's your thought's guys?


Never ridden one.
Been to a diesel bike show before though, and inadvertently met a fella our Stinkwheel knows. I know absolutely nothing about diesel bikes, I didn't even know when I was looking at one. That's how much I know.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the ebay for Royal Enfield Diesel. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be heavy and the power delivery will resemble that of a lorry. Unless it's just for a project then go for it. I'd rather go electric and put a diesel generator on there.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diesels are fucking hateful.

I'll tolerate one in a workhorse car - not a chance on a bike.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 05 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get a decent level of power, surely you'd need something at least 1000cc as you'd be using a car engine for ease and availability. Plus, the added difficult of a turbo both in riding and fitting/maintaining.

Maybe it would be possible to convince it to return astromomical fuel economy though, so maybe useful for a motorway commuter?
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would give a diesel bike a go. The MPG sounds just far too great to not to try it. Not every day one wants to go flat out like a mental person. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NC700? Sure felt like diesel powered to this non connosieur.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just cannot see any point. I don't ride a bike for economy but if I did I'd get something like an NC700 or a 125 depending on my commute. I'm not convinced a diesel would be any better and certainly less ridable than either.

If you are talking about it as a project, well OK from the engineering point of view but then I'd rather make a radical cuastom bike.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Diesel bike Reply with quote

yodagoat wrote:
I've been looking on the diesel bike forum, all the guys on there really know their shit.

That should be they're.

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PostPosted: 14:03 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ Laughing ^^^
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`ve said this before : with some of the small Japanese diesel engines available , It must surely be viable to put one in a motorbike frame.

If some of these little three cylinder diesel powered commuter cars can buzz along at 70mph +, then surely the engine would be small enough to fit in a large bike frame and be strong enough to power a bike along at a reasonable rate?


EDIT: oh yer, I forgot : it will be shit cos it cant do 200mph or have 200bhp Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

200mph/bhp aside... It would still beg 'why'.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dandelion wrote:
200mph/bhp aside... It would still beg 'why'.


Imagine it'd have the performance of an MZ 251, for example, but with 3x times better MPG.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? Just for the project/crack/something different.

I've got the GS and the ZZR for when I need someting that is fast and handles etc etc.

It's probably going to an be enfield based plodder. I've heard of some of them getting 150 - 200 MPG. That's more than my C90 gets!!
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/blog/2011/11/royal-enfield-diesel-bikes/
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They claim about 175 miles to a gallon of diesel. My own experience has not been quite that good, but I still get over 100 easily.


https://www.choicequote.co.uk/enfield_bullet_diesel.asp
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The engine runs on 100% bio diesel supplied by Brandsford Bio Fuels Ltd. When Trevor was running in and testing he has been achieving an amazing 135 to 140 MPG. However he expects normal usage MPG to be between 160 to 170 MPG. Careful use of the throttle could nudge this figure towards 200 MPG, giving the bike the phenomenal potential range of approximately of nearly 700 miles before the tank needs refilling.

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dandelion wrote:
200mph/bhp aside... It would still beg 'why'.


Through trial and innovation will come new advances!

Or? we could all ride around on grey bikes that all do the same.

Or just why the hell not?
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is with diesels, they use high pressure common rail and turbos to get the equivalent power of a petrol.

Common rail requires large high pressure pumps and they're bulky and heavy.
Turbos are bulky and heavy.

You also need good fuel filtration which is usually large.

Or do they just sack off the high pressure stuff?
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
To get a decent level of power, surely you'd need something at least 1000cc as you'd be using a car engine for ease and availability. Plus, the added difficult of a turbo both in riding and fitting/maintaining.

Maybe it would be possible to convince it to return astromomical fuel economy though, so maybe useful for a motorway commuter?


Totally missing the point IMO.
As I said diesel to me means simple, and robust and keep it nice and basic. It would be more viable also as I said if you had access to a suitable diesel motor, and a bike of the right size that's not worth much and has a blown engine that would be expensive to re-build/fix.

For examples I was thinking of a small-medium commuter bike, CB250/400N or XS250 or similar, so that the bike is simple too.

I think diesel only works as a viable proposition if you can cheaply and simply engineer the conversion with the minimum of wiring, plumbing and ancillaries. So I would be trying to fall over or liberate a small air cooled 1-2cly industrial motor from it's home to use. No radiators, no common rail, no turbo's and no hassle IMO.

You would/should be looking at diesel to provide say around 125cc performance, but with cheaper running costs. You certainly would not be worrying about trying to make it fast or refined or smooth, as you will fail on a sensible budget.

You just need a bike that's big enough to take said engine, and strong enough not to fall apart from the vibration/extra weight, but nothing more.

tl;dr fix up an old broken bike with a cement mixer motor for a plodder that sips fuel to keep said wreak on the road using backyard bodge mentality.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are videos of a triumph tiger with a diesel engine on youtube doing burnouts and even wheelies, so I imagine it has a decent power delivery, even if it might be ALL torque... didn't sound so sexy though.

Have a search Smile
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen a few around. My personal favourite was powered by the donkey engine from a refrigerated container and wrapped in an old BMW frame and running gear.

Give it a go Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 06 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan1190 wrote:
There are videos of a triumph tiger with a diesel engine on youtube doing burnouts and even wheelies, so I imagine it has a decent power delivery, even if it might be ALL torque... didn't sound so sexy though.

Have a search Smile


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7BqPBvVuyY ?

The only ones I'm aware of are the Hayes Diesel bike that the US Army used to use, and only so they could run it on JP8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzP_NMIYrU

..and the Royal Enfield Dieselbike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPdnRrfPnIU
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