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ice.shark
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Put diesel in the tank...what a goon! Reply with quote

Hi,
I've never done this before but I worked too much today, was thinking about work stuff at the petrol station and I went to a petrol station that has regular diesel, vpower diesel and just a single type of petrol plus I normally go to BP which has 2 types of petrol and 1 diesel. I saw the regular diesel and just poured from the one that said VPower. I only put 2-3 litres of the stuff but the whole thing needs syphoning.

Anyways, In west london is there a mechanic at this time that will do it for a normal price? I got quoted close to £200. If not I'll do it myself of course but I'd prefer a mechanic take a look.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How big is your tank? Couldn't you just brim it with petrol and not notice any difference?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Put diesel in the tank...what a goon! Reply with quote

ice.shark wrote:
I got quoted close to £200.



Laughing and Rolling Eyes

As said, brim it with petrol, ride it.

It's so unlikely to do any damage to anything anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£200

Did he offer a go on his missus and a beer with that?

Brim it
Ride it
Derp
Repeat.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Put diesel in the tank...what a goon! Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
ice.shark wrote:
I got quoted close to £200.



Laughing and Rolling Eyes

As said, brim it with petrol, ride it.

It's so unlikely to do any damage to anything anyway.


OK, how much diesel can be in my petrol tank because come to think of it I might have put like 5-7 litres of diesel Very Happy. I have a car so current plan is to drive there syphon some of it (as much as I can) brim with petrol and take it home. It's a yamaha R125 (2012) by the way which i believe is fuel injected.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatively.

Bring the bike to me, I will drain it professionally for £50.

And then I won't at all just bung the fuel in my car, no, of course I won't.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must know how much you put in. It's written on the receipt
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
£200

Did he offer a go on his missus and a beer with that?

Brim it
Ride it
Derp
Repeat.


I actually did ask him if this includes any personal extras Smile. Didn't want to push it too far as the petrol station clerk was doing me a favour so didn't want to give him a bad rep.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Put diesel in the tank...what a goon! Reply with quote

ice.shark wrote:
come to think of it I might have put like 5-7 litres of diesel


If you don't even know how much you put in when you had to go and pay for it and everything then really you deserve it.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alans Snackbar wrote:
You must know how much you put in. It's written on the receipt

7 litres Sad
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Put diesel in the tank...what a goon! Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
ice.shark wrote:
come to think of it I might have put like 5-7 litres of diesel


If you don't even know how much you put in when you had to go and pay for it and everything then really you deserve it.


I actually just said it figuratively at the beginning because I thought it didn't matter if it was 3 or 7 litres in such a small tank. I thought I'd have to syphon it anyways even if it were just 1l so I really sorry for misquoting - my bad.

The thing I'm concerned about is that it's fuel injected. Carburettors are bomb proof but I'm not so sure about a fuel injected tiny 125 engine.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps even more confusing is why you normally buy Vpower super unleaded for a 125
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually up to about 10% the engine won't notice at all. Up to about 25-30% is usually 'safe', but it'll smoke like a bitch and be down on power somewhat.

Apparently the r125 has a 13.8 litre tank (according to google) so 2-3 litres would have been fine in my opinion. 7 is too many.

Just get out what you can with a bit of pipe and a couple of cans - then give the mixed fuel to someone for their car (or, your car if it's diesel or a slightly older petrol). Then brim your bike tank with petrol and try not to do it again.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alans Snackbar wrote:
Perhaps even more confusing is why you normally buy Vpower super unleaded for a 125

I read somewhere that you need to buy the highest octane rating. I also read that it's slightly better due to cleaning properties. With a bike that does 100mpg and the price of petrol being 107p I really don't mind paying a few pence more but in general I buy regular.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ice.shark wrote:
Alans Snackbar wrote:
Perhaps even more confusing is why you normally buy Vpower super unleaded for a 125

I read somewhere that you need to buy the highest octane rating. I also read that it's slightly better due to cleaning properties. With a bike that does 100mpg and the price of petrol being 107p I really don't mind paying a few pence more but in general I buy regular.


You need to buy petrol within spec for what the manufacturer builds the engine to run on.

An R125 produces a specific horse power of 110bhp/litre. It's not a high performance engine by any measure, so higher octane fuels are wasted on it
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
Usually up to about 10% the engine won't notice at all. Up to about 25-30% is usually 'safe', but it'll smoke like a bitch and be down on power somewhat.

Apparently the r125 has a 13.8 litre tank (according to google) so 2-3 litres would have been fine in my opinion. 7 is too many.

Just get out what you can with a bit of pipe and a couple of cans - then give the mixed fuel to someone for their car (or, your car if it's diesel or a slightly older petrol). Then brim your bike tank with petrol and try not to do it again.


Thanks man. I've never done this and I thought how stupid do you have to be but too many factors combined tonight - worked 16h (slept 4h yesterday), went to a crappy station which has mainly diesel and lastly I've always use BP (just cause there's one near me) and sparsely used shell.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could either - a, remove the tank, drain it, refit, refill, or
b, find a piece of clean smallish bore hose, siphon it out into a container then refill. One would take 30 minutes, one would take three. Even if you had to hire a van to recover said bike to your house it'd cost less than £200!
We're all assuming you've not started it?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alans Snackbar wrote:

An R125 produces a specific horse power of 110bhp/litre. It's not a high performance engine by any measure, so higher octane fuels are wasted on it


OK. I'll buy regular, happy Smile. I believe when I had my aprilia I read somewhere that the engine is cooler with higher octane level and as I was riding a lot in the summer started using the premium petrol.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
You could either - a, remove the tank, drain it, refit, refill, or
b, find a piece of clean smallish bore hose, siphon it out into a container then refill. One would take 30 minutes, one would take three. Even if you had to hire a van to recover said bike to your house it'd cost less than £200!
We're all assuming you've not started it?

Haven't started it. I'm preparing to go with my car (and the hose from my shower head Very Happy) and syphon it.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my previous bike (and I'll assume this is the same) the tank was connected to the engine feed via a small hose with a clip. I might be able to undo this and drain it without removing anything. I also thought about removing the tank but I think syphoning is simpler.

By the way, the bike has a catalytic converter. Would that be OK with diesel soot?
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its Fi then why not get the existing pump to do the job?
Whip off the supply pipe to the injector
turn on ignition ( with can ready of course ) and wait
till it runs dry
Fill up with petrol and enjoy the fumes for a bit until it clears
you may need to clean the plug a couple of times until the deisel gets
diluted enough not to be snokey/noticeable
200 feckin quid to clear a few litres of derv from a 125?
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 12 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick question to all those recommending diluting a small amount of diesel with petrol.

Reckon the lambda sensor on an FI bike will cope with this?

Just because I've buggered lambda sensors on cars simply by bump starting them.
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 12 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, good point but I don't think the R125 has a closed loop injection
system that uses a lambda sensor.
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https://www.yamahar125.com/threads/o2-sensor-and-ecu-mapping.389/

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PostPosted: 02:20 - 12 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I syphoned a bucket and 2 1 litre bottles out of it so that's about 12l. There was a bit left but who cares. I brimmed it with petrol and it is running sweet. I must say, it seems to be running a bit better with a bit of diesel in it.

Since diesel is heavier than petrol I guess whatever was left was mostly pure diesel. This also implies that each morning the bottom of the tank will be mostly diesel so for the next few weeks I will need to shake it a bit before starting.
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PostPosted: 03:50 - 12 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ice.shark wrote:
I syphoned a bucket and 2 1 litre bottles out of it so that's about 12l. There was a bit left but who cares. I brimmed it with petrol and it is running sweet. I must say, it seems to be running a bit better with a bit of diesel in it.

Since diesel is heavier than petrol I guess whatever was left was mostly pure diesel. This also implies that each morning the bottom of the tank will be mostly diesel so for the next few weeks I will need to shake it a bit before starting.


Excellent result.

Now... what did we learn? Laughing
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