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| binge wrote: | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1497615_623387127708630_264761165_n.jpg?oh=d191b0054a84036bc64bb52407ba48d7&oe=552AB7BB
That is on 30" tyres, with a 1.5" susp lift. |
The Amish rang, well, sent a letter, they want their cart springs back. 
It actually looks really cool like that, quite purposeful. 
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Someone is getting tempted to sell their TTR once fixed and replace with a 4x4 to join the muddy lols club?
My only must have for a 4x4 would be full time 4WD. I see no point in selectable 4WD, especially when many family saloon's and Rally car replica's have full time 4WD.
I remember my neighbour revving the knackers off her Suzuki Jimmy once in the snow trying to get off the drive. She did not know how to select 4WD |
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| Posted: 20:40 - 22 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | Someone is getting tempted to sell their TTR once fixed and replace with a 4x4 to join the muddy lols club?
My only must have for a 4x4 would be full time 4WD. I see no point in selectable 4WD, especially when many family saloon's and Rally car replica's have full time 4WD.
I remember my neighbour revving the knackers off her Suzuki Jimmy once in the snow trying to get off the drive. She did not know how to select 4WD |
Been seriously thinking about getting a 4x4 for ages, since a mate of mine got a Discovery and we went out in the summer, I realised you get more hours entertainment per mile than on a bike. Because you are going slower and I think bikes are better suited for travelling down green lanes, you can make a proper day of it without going too far afield.
https://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag134/Fladdem/Facebook/Untitled%20Album/10151796_10201045592942277_8525853651073428435_n.jpg
And I'm considering a TTR600 Belgarda! I rode a mates Pegaso 650, with the XTZ engine, and I want a big lazy thumper, but lighter than a Pegaso, and with a touch more off-road ability. I love living with my parents and working full time but continuing living as I did as a student. SO MUCH BIKE FUNDING! If it weren't for the lack of space I wouldn't even consider selling the 250.
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| Posted: 20:44 - 22 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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Green lanes are all well and good, however you'll find off road centres are far far more fun!  |
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| Posted: 01:12 - 23 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | My only must have for a 4x4 would be full time 4WD. I see no point in selectable 4WD, especially when many family saloon's and Rally car replica's have full time 4WD. |
4WD and AWD are different things.
4WD is selectable, AWD is permanent.
AWD allows different rotational speeds so you can go round corners more easily and can split the torque between F/R and L/R.
Traditional 4WD is essentially engaging the differentials or locking them, to ensure all 4 wheels turn equally. This means more traction in low-grip situations, but bad handling when grip is sufficient, hence the ability to disengage it and drive 2WD.
Permanent 4WD is basically AWD with selectable lockable 4WD.
Your Audi Quattro, BMW xDrive, Subarus, Evos etc are AWD.
Land Cruisers, Discos/90s/110s etc are 4WD.
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| Posted: 01:30 - 23 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | I see no point in selectable 4WD, especially when many family saloon's and Rally car replica's have full time 4WD. |
Off the top of my head;
1. Better mpg when on the road.
2. RWD = really easy doughnuts = huge lolz
3. RWD = powerslides = huge lolz
4. Less tendancy to understeer when on the road
5. Less wear on front drivetrain
Why would you not want a lever that gives you more mpg and makes it twice as easy to do doughnuts/go drifting in the snow?
The sportrak has 2wd high ratio for road use. When you go offroad, you stop, put it in neutral, click the transfer box to 4H or 4wd high ratio as the low ratio simply isn't needed most of the time. Tbh, I only ever put it in low ratio when I checked if it actually worked. Anyway, you then drive off. Get muddy. When you go back onroad it has automatic free wheeling hubs so you stop, select neutral, select 2h again, then reverse 10m so the hubs unlock. Then its rear wheel drive again, and you drive off as normal. |
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| Posted: 15:04 - 23 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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| Llama-Farmer wrote: |
4WD and AWD are different things.
4WD is selectable, AWD is permanent.
AWD allows different rotational speeds so you can go round corners more easily and can split the torque between F/R and L/R.
Traditional 4WD is essentially engaging the differentials or locking them, to ensure all 4 wheels turn equally. This means more traction in low-grip situations, but bad handling when grip is sufficient, hence the ability to disengage it and drive 2WD.
Permanent 4WD is basically AWD with selectable lockable 4WD.
Your Audi Quattro, BMW xDrive, Subarus, Evos etc are AWD.
Land Cruisers, Discos/90s/110s etc are 4WD. |
Head hurts!
AWD is 4WD to all intent, yes you can have a torque biasing centre diff or even a lockable centre diff on both! Not all AWD systems are sophisticated beyond having a diff to stop the front/rear axles winding up, and not every AWD car has all your active differentials, Haldex, AYC or even the Torsen torque biasing centre coupling like the UR Quattro etc.
In my mind full time 4WD is the same as AWD and works the same way too. High and low range has nothing to do with it, unless it automatically switches on diff locks at the same time.
Oh and lastly despite more Drift Yo action potential with vehicles with part time 4WD, I dislike it because I've seen too many instances where a stuck vehicle started off in appropriate for the conditions 2WD and then got quickly stuck in slippery terrain or changeable road conditions. I also think that free wheeling and lockable hubs is a silly complication and that full time systems should be stronger and have less limitations.
If mpg was a concern I'd not be choosing any vehicle with any form of 4WD, high rolling resistance tyres and a big square frontal area that's far worse for mpg than how many wheels your driving through the transmission. Drive train losses are not that much less in some selectable 4WD systems as most of the props and diffs are still turning etc. Again if losing a big percentage of engine power in 4WD was a concern I'd be in a FWD hatchback anyway. |
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| Posted: 15:12 - 23 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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You should be using 4wd low when offroading. Of course for the vast majority of greenlanes that's completely unnecessary, which points to the fact most greenlaning isn't offorading. 
"Permanent 4WD is basically AWD with selectable lockable 4WD. "
You what? Locking diffs are something completely different. |
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| Posted: 21:37 - 23 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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That's hilarious. I got told off on my second day at Honda for leaving the dealership on the back wheel and holding it all the way to the end of the road and pulling a stoppie at the lights. Apparently there was a salesman with a customer outside the front and the customer commented on what a prat I was and eventually the sale was lost because they didn't want a hooligan working on their car. 
Did you ever get the knack of changing gear in the air? It took me ages to do it on my little 250, I started by just popping it up in second and trying to change immediately to third, while the wheel was lifting, then catching it with third and keeping it going up. I then just started popping the front up in third. I eventually got the knack of keeping it just below balance point, so I could still accelerate and go up the gears.
I really need a supermoto.
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Also, I just realised, this always seems to happen to Iain's threads, they just get derailed. His CR build just became anything vehicle related that he tinkered with. This one, I'm on about supermotos and wheelies, there's an argument going on about what 4WD is for some reason. It's just a thread about anything relating to off-road at all now.
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| Fladdem wrote: | Also, I just realised, this always seems to happen to Iain's threads, they just get derailed. |
Yeah, but interesting innit.
Weekend report;
Got Paddy & J.M. Got rear ended by blaze it michael & his corsa full of stoners. Bloke was too stoned to realise I'd stopped, then stalled it trying to drive away from the scene. Figured he diddn't have insurance anyway & it'd shit on our day...so with no damage to my vehicle I left em to it. Slaughtered their front bumper though...drugs are bad kids. 
Got muddy.
https://i.imgur.com/x1kDgFf.jpg
Met some guy in a £300 Vitara who was awesome. "Yeah, just smack it in low range and it'll go straight through that...if it doesn't then I'll drag you out"
Nice guy, so figured bollocks to it and went in the mud. This gave me a lot more confidence in the vehicle. Then we met these guys;
https://i.imgur.com/prNCXNu.jpg
Who were very, very slow & kept getting stuck despite having a discovery with flashing lights and a defender with mud tyres. Again, nice guys & very freindly! We met Vitara man later on & he'd had to recover them a couple of times
Moar lanes;
https://i.imgur.com/G7vFbqi.jpg
Pictures are very difficult unless you stop, and stopping means getting stuck in a lot of places.
https://i.imgur.com/pSMTNjx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RE9Zv2W.jpg
Shortly after this I popped the radiator however. Not bad, but I hit a stick which turned out to be a tree that flung up, over the bonnet and smashed. Guess a bit of debris hit the radiator so it now has a pinhole in it, is blocked up with loads of splinters and the truck overheats if you don't leave the heater on full blast.
Gonna put K-seal in it & blast the shit out of the rad with a jetwash to get some airflow again. Hopefully that'll fix it because evening offroading tonight |
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https://i.imgur.com/FWDr7Z3.jpg
Only really got stuck once, Binges SJ got us going again by pushing us up the hill a bit - Thing is awesome!
I have however developed a bit of an overheating problem. Ordered a 16" electric fan, and I'm going to ditch the thermostat/flush the system through...see what happens. |
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| Posted: 18:29 - 14 Feb 2015 Post subject: |
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I need an off-roader. The Micra doesn't quite cut it.
https://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag134/Fladdem/11004017_10202570248257707_6795491_n_zpszumc7iyd.jpg
It also limits me to only doing gentle lanes like this one. 
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Just get better tyres?  |
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I have been thinking about trying to find some longer shocks and constructing a body lift kit, pinch some 15" steelies or maybe some 14's for more ground clearance, from somewhere and then getting some slightly aggressive tyres. Apparently they do quite well in the 1.0 car trials. But then, after I've done all that, I could have just got a 4x4.
My mate at work just got a prepped '98 disco, was in the process of being prepared for off-road stuff, but never actually got used, I'm not sure exactly what he paid, but something in the region of 1800 wouldn't be too far off. It looks like a serious bit of kit, it's got road wheels and off-road wheels. I think I'll wait for my insurance to start dropping, as I get older, and then look for a Vitara.
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