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MattEMulsion
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Motorcycle Direct - What a bunch of To$$ers!!! Reply with quote

Well I never thought that I would be writing a thread about bike insurance but Motorcycle Direct have done me over well and truly. I'll be as brief as I can but if you can't be arsed to read it skip to the TLDR bit at the bottom...

Every October at the start of the month I MOT, tax and insure my bike, all paid in full and once it is done it is sorted for the next 12 months. This is the same bike that I have had for 11 years continuously insured etc. As normal I shopped around for the best insurance quote and Motorcycle Direct gave me the best deal so I took out my policy with them. I paid up, downloaded the documents and filed them away safely.

Fast forward to the start of February and I receive a letter from the DVLA telling me that my bike does not appear on the MIB (insurance) database. A simple administrative mistake I think, so I grab my policy documents and give Motorcycle Direct a ring. It turns out that they cancelled my policy on the 29th October because I failed to provide them with proof of my no claims bonus...

Now you may think that this is my own fault but Motorcycle Direct were my previous insurer from the last policy!!! But because I took out the policy online I still have to provide them with their own proof??? I can't honestly recall having to provide my no claims proof for a few years now on bike or car insurance - I thought they had a big database that they can just look you up on - am I wrong?

So Motorcycle Direct left me with no insurance for over three months, used the premium that I had paid to cover some ludicrous cancellation fees and didn't even bother to send me a letter through the post to tell me any of this. Surely that can't be right?

According to them they sent me three emails instead. I will hold my hands up and admit that I never saw the emails, they got buried in my inbox full of crap, but even subsequently now reading the emails they do not say anything about needing to provide proof of no claims or even that they were cancelling my policy, all they were is a generic email with a download link that is now outdated as 45 days have passed.

Also according to Motorcycle Direct they don't send documents through the post as it is an online policy, well I'm sure that they still send out renewal invitations at the end of peoples policies through the post as they are after your money, but deem that cancelling some ones policy midterm is not important enough to write to you for.

Anyway they are refusing to budge on the matter and hiding behind their small print, I have been through their complaints process and still got no joy. Should I take it all the way to the Ombudsman?

TLDR: Took out insurance with Motorcycle Direct, they cancelled the policy without informing me properly, what should I do?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to say mate sounds like you're fault. Ive been with them in the past had no problems.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

To sum up they asked for proof of no claims 3 times and you did not provide this so they cancelled insurance.

Pretty much your fault from what I can see I'm sorry to say.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the thing of telling them my no claims entitlement even though I was re insuring with them. Odd it seemed as I would have thought that it was a continuous thing, but he computer says "No!" so you have to start as if it was a separate thing.

I'm not a e-mail type of person and like a letter through a door asit seems a proper ay to do business. But companies being how they are they force you to change the way they deal with you and you will deal with them how they want no matter how you feel about it. Bit like Tesco and their self service tills. I don't want to use them but I want my milk.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it was your fault. What do the emails say exactly?

By the way, if you've followed their complaints procedure fully (ie you now have a final response letter or email stating they consider the matter closed) then going to the ombudsman will cost you nothing. It could cost them something like £750 (some firms pay an annual sum, rather than per case). So even if they dismiss your case, you'll still have stung the fuckers.

Double check all the email correspondence though. They should have asked for proof of no claims and that failure to provide will result in the policy being cancelled. If that is no implicitly implied, you have a good chance at recouping your money.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how it is these days, all online, not really their fault you missed the emails. Just be glad you didn't get done for riding with no insurance.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WULFSTAN wrote:
Sorry to say mate sounds like you're fault..


Sorry, but I disagree.

If it is the same insurer, and the details remain the same, they shouldn't have asked for information they already have. They even state this on their website!

OK, the OP should check his emails - especially as it's an on-line policy - but nevertheless they shouldn't ask for proof that they can only provide themselves.

I would take it to the Ombudsman, nothing to lose and all that, especially if the emails say they aren't going to cancel the policy.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Motorcycle Direct - What a bunch of To$$ers!!! Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Should I take it all the way to the Ombudsman?

Of course you should.

The reason I wouldn't get emails from Motorcycle Direct is that about 5 years ago Motorcycle Direct took the email address that I'd given them for a quote, carefully ticked as "Do not contact me about other products, do not give my email address to anyone else" and Motorcycle Direct sold that email address to spammers.

No, they weren't h4xx0rzd, the initial spam was for bike related things, although now my spambox is stuffed several times a day with dripping entreaties 2 Purchaes Pennis Enlargenments 4 2 Plesure My Russain Bride.

Yes, it was Motorcycle Direct. I know this because it comes to motorcycledirect@mydomain.foo, the email address that I gave to them and only them.

Motorcycle Direct are corrupt scvm who sell your details to spammers.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive had this before with the download links. rather than send you a letter or a simple email they will email you a downloadable copy of a letter
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

M-C wrote:
I think these were the people that wanted to charge a pal to download his policy documents, cos he hadn't done it within so many days of taking out his policy Thinking

Yeah, their download links are only available for 45 days which is one of the reasons I can't even view the actual correspondence they were trying to send me.

At no point was I made aware that any correspondence from them would come via email. Anything important drops through my letterbox. I still cant get over the fact that they wanted me to send them THEIR OWN proof of no claims as they were my previous insurer. I quite agree that its partly my own fault for missing the emails, but common sense and the principle of it all is what I disagree with.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the point of putting correspondence on their website rather than in the email; that way you need to put your username and password in, so there is a modicum of security that it won't be read by the wrong person (some people share email accounts still, someone using your computer could see it by accident). For example, telling you that your last few direct debits had bounced could be embarrassing if it got around at work.

However, the other side to this is that correspondence should be available for at least a year (the life of the policy), and that they should know if you have read it or not by checking their server logs. Something like a cancellation, they should be checking that you have read the correspondence and if not sending it out by snail mail too.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Bamt, it's a bit underhanded to cancel your policy because you haven't replied to their correspondence. They also have your telephone number and Postal Address. I would go to ombudsman personally, because it doesn't feel like they've done enough to try and contact you before just cancelling the policy. You could claim that the email ended up in your junk folder, and thus never read it. Unless, of course, you've already told the insurers you've now found the emails.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it ends up in the junk mail folder then that's not their fault.

They can send letters by post but there's no guarantee the letters will be read.

Whatever they do or don't do, they'll always be people who say 'well you should have done [something else]".

I wonder what the policy documents say about providing proof of NCB.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If it ends up in the junk mail folder then that's not their fault.

What if email from them is being flagged as spam because they sell customers' email addresses to spammers?
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't the spammers have to be using motorcycle directs servers for that to happen?
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If it ends up in the junk mail folder then that's not their fault.

They can send letters by post but there's no guarantee the letters will be read.

Whatever they do or don't do, they'll always be people who say 'well you should have done [something else]".

I wonder what the policy documents say about providing proof of NCB.


https://quote.motorcycledirect.co.uk/documents/MCDWebPolicy.pdf

Can't see any mention of policy being cancelled if no proof of no claims is received...

Probably in one of the emails you never read, therefore no contract formed regarding policy cancellation and fees, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the first page it says...

"To provide proof of your no claims bonus, please email ncb@europa-group.co.uk"

That's from the first page and within the first 100 words of the policy documents.

Then there's this page on their website:

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/no-claims-bonus.php

Next there's the terms of business pdf which has the fees listed in it.

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/TOB%20-%20MCD%20-%2023092014%20-%20V3.pdf

Lastly there is the fees & charges page on their website which also has the fees listed on it.

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/fees-and-charges.php

And as you say, it's probably also explained in one (or two but probably all three) of the e-mails that the OP didn't bother to read.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BakesBeans wrote:
WULFSTAN wrote:
Sorry to say mate sounds like you're fault..


Sorry, but I disagree.

If it is the same insurer, and the details remain the same, they shouldn't have asked for information they already have. They even state this on their website!


The Op fails to mention one very relevant point....
If this was a renewal then I would agree with you. But I have a strong feeling that the OP has tried to pull as fast one. By not renewing and getting a fresh quote and starting as a new customer.
As such then even though they were the last insurer, they would still require proof of no claims. Daft I know, but as far as they know the old insurer could have been any other company.

I would say the Op has to go to FOS on this if they do not resolve his complaint. On the basis that if he does not then they will have to declare a revoked/cancelled policy in the future. Which will lead to much higher ins costs for ANY type of insurance.
FOS will rule on the basis have the ins co followed the correct procedure. Given they sent 3 emails and it was a online policy. Then I think the OP may lose.
FOS seems to be getting tougher on people who have failed to respond to messages sent and so long as correct procedure is followed by co's then they tend to get ruled in the co's favor.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DieselASFC wrote:

Probably in one of the emails you never read, therefore no contract formed regarding policy cancellation and fees, in my opinion.


Er... Contract is formed when OP payed for the policy Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
On the first page it says...

"To provide proof of your no claims bonus, please email ncb@europa-group.co.uk"

That's from the first page and within the first 100 words of the policy documents.

Then there's this page on their website:

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/no-claims-bonus.php

Next there's the terms of business pdf which has the fees listed in it.

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/TOB%20-%20MCD%20-%2023092014%20-%20V3.pdf

Lastly there is the fees & charges page on their website which also has the fees listed on it.

https://www.motorcycledirect.co.uk/faqs/fees-and-charges.php

And as you say, it's probably also explained in one (or two but probably all three) of the e-mails that the OP didn't bother to read.


Still, nowhere does it say failure to supply proof of NCB will result in cancellation.

iooi wrote:
Er... Contract is formed when OP payed for the policy Rolling Eyes


As above, when he took out the policy, thus forming a contract, he never agreed to send proof of NCB. That was asked for AFTER he paid his premium, which he never agreed to as he didn't see the email. So IN MY OPINION, there in no contractual agreement to prove his NCB.

I'd follow the complaints procedure, then go to the ombudsman. Nothing to lose.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
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I think these were the people that wanted to charge a pal to download his policy documents, cos he hadn't done it within so many days of taking out his policy Thinking

Yeah, their download links are only available for 45 days which is one of the reasons I can't even view the actual correspondence they were trying to send me.

At no point was I made aware that any correspondence from them would come via email. Anything important drops through my letterbox. I still cant get over the fact that they wanted me to send them THEIR OWN proof of no claims as they were my previous insurer. I quite agree that its partly my own fault for missing the emails, but common sense and the principle of it all is what I disagree with.


I had this and when they asked for proof of no claims I sent them an email saying they were my previous insurer and that was fine.

I can kind if see it from there point of view as it costs them time and money to investigate who was the previous insurer.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
it's probably also explained in one (or two but probably all three) of the e-mails that the OP didn't bother to read.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Ste wrote:
it's probably also explained in one (or two but probably all three) of the e-mails that the OP didn't bother to read.


If he didn't read them, then he hasn't agreed to any terms set out in them.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DieselASFC wrote:

If he didn't read them, then he hasn't agreed to any terms set out in them.


So they cancelled the policy as a result.
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