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Snop Doog
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Tail Bag for Security Chain Transport Reply with quote

As I only have one chain (a 1.5m Almax Immobiliser IV) it looks like I'll have to take it with me on my commute. As a result, I'm now in need of a tail bag.

The bag will simply be used for the chain and the padlock, nothing more, as I always wear a backpack for everything else when riding. Also, it can't be on the wide side as I ride a CBF 125.

I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone can recommend a tail bag based on what I said above.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/74333

or just a few iof these seen them on tails of bikes holding the cain there

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/73846
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a 19mm chain weighing something like 9kg. A mini bag or a couple of bungees isn't going to do it.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you not leave the chain at your destination ( assuming it's the same commute each day) - not sure i'd want 9kg of sliding metal hanging around.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Option I'd go for would be a top box lined with foam, but once you've forked out for the luggage rack (assuming you don't already have one) and a top box you could probably have bought another chain. With a tailbag, they are prone to moving around, and with 9kg in I expect it would be a right pain getting it in and out of the bag each time (4 times a day?).

As they said, can't you leave it at your work place?
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coiled up chain and padlock will go in my Kriega US-5. I've only done it once, but it fits and is secure. Not cheap though, for the size.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army surplus respirator pouch attached to the grab rail and resting on the seat. Or even attached with straps running under the seat.

Top tip is to pop-stud the belt loop over the grab rail then make a hole all the way to the inside where the eyelet is between the two pop-studs. Put a short bolt through here with a wing nut and a washer on the inside. This stops it coming undone.

Doubles as a handy "manbag" if needed. Good for festivals to carry beer in.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies!

Unfortunately, leaving the chain at my destination is a no because I need it for when the bike's at home.

Never really wanted a top box and as said, box + rack is moneeeeeey.

Army pouch does sound like a good idea Thinking

But I think it's the Kriega US5 that's won me over Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpartanX wrote:
Unfortunately, leaving the chain at my destination is a no because I need it for when the bike's at home.


You could buy a second chain? Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use an unbranded copy of something like this for mine when I did need to lug it around occasionally.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Autokicker-Essential-Mini-Tail-Pack-Motorbike-Motorcycle-Carry-Bag-/201024824431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ece03646f

I'd be tempted to buy a second one though if you need to do it daily; should be able to sell it on in the future without losing too much if you advertise it locally. Or you want to hire a tank to transport it in the post Whistle
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaka wrote:
That doesn't look too bad actually for the price, as long as the straps are up to holding the weight.

Might be a little on the small side for a 1.5m Almax though from the looks of it.

Edit: ''Adjustable velcro straps'' Missed that when I first read it Razz maybe not for an almax then actually
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Rhyno -Didn't really want to fork out another £180+ for another chain, would rather carry it around with me Sad

@Matt -"Ideal for carrying small locks" Hah, no chance. Laughing

I appreciate the replies! I think the Kriega US5 might be the way to go...
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh almax chains are heavy fuckers.

CBF125s are great for top-boxes though, and a chain that heavy/large would be more suitable in a top box I would imagine.

If you need a bag for carrying other shit so that it doesn't get crushed by the chain, can always get a magnetic tank bag on the cheap off ebay.

Colleague used to do all this with his CBF125 ^

I don't really bother with the faffery of carrying my chain with me unless I'm going somewhere sketchy.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't trust a US-5 with a chain that heavy. I've just got one myself, they are good for carrying random bits and pieces, a little toolkit and a sandwich but nothing serious.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a £10 tail pack then spend £10 on bungee cords.

Put the tail pack on under the rear seat, bungee to the pillion pegs, hook the front of the tail pack through the rear grab rail and hook to the rear pillion pegs, then bungee cord from the rear of the tail pack through the rear grab rail up and over the top of the tail pack crossing over and hooking to the rear pegs crushing the top of the tail pack to stop anything shifting.

I had to carry 30kg of barbell weights on other halfs cbf 125 and using the exact method above they never moved an inch including goingup the A2 and round Gravesend from Croydon.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 1.5m Immobiliser IV weighed in at over 11kg from memory... I wouldn't recommend using a tailpack/bag as it's not going to be ideal. Unlikely strong enough and if that sort of weight shifts as you're riding, you'll definitely know it.

Get a smaller, lighter, cheaper chain and then consider your options.

Sure you want the security of the Almax wherever you go but it will become tedious and tiring lugging it about everywhere. Especially on a 125 which has little power in the first place.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Meef -Really didn't want a top box Sad - All my other shit goes into my backpack Very Happy - London is the definition of sketchy imo Laughing

@Irn-Bru -Ah ok, well, that's off the list!

@SQL -That sounds great actually! Thank you! A new question arises... What tail pack and how many bungee cords? Smile Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpartanX wrote:
Really didn't want a top box Sad - All my other shit goes into my backpack Very Happy - London is the definition of sketchy imo Laughing


Don't blame you, I think top-boxes look shit. I carried my Almax in my rucksack once. Was very uncomfortable lmao.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
My 1.5m Immobiliser IV weighed in at over 11kg from memory... I wouldn't recommend using a tailpack/bag as it's not going to be ideal. Unlikely strong enough and if that sort of weight shifts as you're riding, you'll definitely know it.

Get a smaller, lighter, cheaper chain and then consider your options.

Sure you want the security of the Almax wherever you go but it will become tedious and tiring lugging it about everywhere. Especially on a 125 which has little power in the first place.


I'm thinking about insurance. I have it declared, but let's say I use this smaller, lighter, cheaper chain as my run around chain and someone happens to the bike, do I say the Almax was on it? o.O
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
SpartanX wrote:
Really didn't want a top box Sad - All my other shit goes into my backpack Very Happy - London is the definition of sketchy imo Laughing


Don't blame you, I think top-boxes look shit. I carried my Almax in my rucksack once. Was very uncomfortable lmao.


I put my Almax in my rucksack too, just as a test. The moment I put it on I hopped aboard the Nope-Train.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
CBF125s are great for top-boxes though, and a chain that heavy/large would be more suitable in a top box I would imagine.

Top-boxes are not suitable for heavy things. Heavy things should be put low down and as central as possible; that normally means pillion seat or panniers on a bike. I hardly notice my 2m 16mm Almax when I keep it underneath the seat of my SH300. Floorboard would be even better, but less practical.

A top box is effectively on the end of a lever formed by the subframe. Chassis movement not dampened by the suspension is amplified there. You'll need a strong subframe and topbox mount to withstand that much weight. I've cracked cheaper topbox racks with far less weight.

Further, the weight is held high (makes the bike top-heavy) and far back (which destabilizes the bike). Overloaded top-boxes are associated with low speed wobble and high speed weave.

An unsecured chain in a top box will also move as the angle of the bike changes. That means that when you lean into a corner, and the angle of the bike doesn't correspond to the mix of gravity and centrifugal force, it's going to slide to one side and then come to a stop, affecting the bike's balance.

It'll also make the bike more liable to wheelie, but that's less of a concern on a 125. It's easy to come down crooked on an unexpected wheelie.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpartanX wrote:
I'm thinking about insurance. I have it declared, but let's say I use this smaller, lighter, cheaper chain as my run around chain and someone happens to the bike, do I say the Almax was on it? o.O


I'd not declare it.

I don't know the facts, but insurance companies will wriggle out of paying in any way they can find. And by you saying that you have an Almax to use means that in their eyes, you have to use it all the time to warrant the discount you get for it.
Say you come home from work, go in for a cuppa and then go out to lock up the bike but in that time it's gone... Insurance are going to ask "Was your declared security being used? No? Oh, well no monies for you then..."

On the flip side, don't declare it, bike gets nicked with the lock fitted, "Oh, you had an Almax chain on? Shit; better give you some cash for your troubles then I guess..."

That's how I see it... The facts may differ but I feel it will be less hassle during a claim to not have your non-permanent security declared.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's a 19mm chain weighing something like 9kg. A mini bag or a couple of bungees isn't going to do it.


doh missed that bit.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
It'll also make the bike more liable to wheelie,

First time I rode with a loaded topbox, had about 5kg in it, and ended up power-wheelie-ing, which doesn't normally happen without it! Put a massive grin on my face it did but my arse also took a bite out of the seat!!
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 20 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpartanX wrote:


@SQL -That sounds great actually! Thank you! A new question arises... What tail pack and how many bungee cords? Smile Thumbs Up


https://i.imgur.com/g30bEdA.jpg

Bufflao I think, you can just see it here

More bungees the better essentially you need to crush the weight into the back seat to keep the COG low and make sure it don't shift.

Use all the mounting points you can and get creative, I rode back from paddys with a tyre bungeed to the back of my bag.
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