Would there be less long term benefit if we made stuff in UK

[Wonko The Sane]

Benefits Britain is on and just wondering;

Would there be less people on long term benefits if we manufactured more stuff in the UK or would things stay pretty much as they are?

Some of the people on the program are saying they can't find work due to arthritis and similar issues (lets give benefit of doubt) and left school at 16, been on training schemes but no success.

what's people's thoughts?

I know some people are determined to live on benefits but, having spent some time unemployed for the best part of a year myself (and not able to claim) others do want to be working but for whatever reason aren't finding anything to get themselves back into work.
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[BakesBeans]

You're asking the wrong question.

People on benefits is correlated to availability of jobs and the pay level.

More manufacturing in the UK would help reduce the trade deficit, would have a number of positive effects for the UK. More jobs would be one thing, but not the be all and end all.
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[angryjonny]

Many people are on benefits because they're better-off financially than they would be if they had to travel to low-paid jobs, put the kids in daycare etc. If minimum wage were higher, it'd draw more people back into employment. It isn't jobs that are scarce, it's jobs that pay a living wage that are scarce.

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British manufacturing would definitely help the economy. Leaving the EU would make British manufacturing more competitive to EU imports.

Unfortunately a certain growing element of society use kids and benefits as a way of life and a way to get a house, young workng couples couldn't afford. These wasters won't change no matter what. A lot of them have never worked and neither have their parents.
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[finchy95]

My missus just read some woman on that was complaining about taking £1100 a month in benefit because it wasn't "enough" what these people actually need is a fucking reality check. Because that's more than me and her make separately and we work full time. I went on ESA (?) after an accident that meant I couldn't walk and was taking £40 a week. That is not enough. As for employment there's plenty of jobs about people just need to be less fucking fussy.
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[N cee thirty]

We can't produce anything cheap enough in this country to be competitive with china/ india etc

Unless its adding value to valueless numbers, which this country seems quite good at, and you can't just chuck any doleyite in to a high skilled job

And even then, companies don't need to train anyone up because they can easily just use a migrant worker that's already trained to fill the position.
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[ScottT]

[CHR15]

i would be intrigued to see what would happen if cash payments were replaced with some sort of tokens that could only be exchanged for essential goods.

the tokens are also linked somehow to the claimant to prevent them being exchanged on the black market for non essentials.



either that or we just incinerate the undesirables.
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[Ariel Badger]

How many on the program were employable?
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[Tritey]

I watched a programme on the telly last night about people on benefits in Essex on a notorious estate called Jaywick. Some scrounging fu**tard was getting £2500 a month and claimed it was not enough.

It was a complete joke. I don't earn that much a month, wife and I combined earn a bit more than that take home monthly but we work 40+ hours each a week. I think it's all wrong.

[DrDonnyBrago]

Get the wastrels into work camps factories making stuff.

Who gives a fuck if it isn't competitive, it'll cover the materials and overheads, contribute to gdp and the labour cost is getting paid anyway.

[Skudd]

It would be great if all the other countries had to jump through all the same rules that we do to manufacture anything. Health and safety/ sick pay/ union rules/ building standards/ rent/sewerage/ water rates/council tax. Then come back and produce stuff at the same price as they do now.
Even local government, although ours isn't brilliant, it isn't as corrupt as many others in the world. Not by a long chalk no matter what the tin hat brigade say.
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[bikertomm]

I can't watch these programmes. Though when I catch a glimpse, they do make me laugh.

Why is the counter argument always, 'Yeah they're on benefits and have a nicer TV than I do and a better shinery phone than me'

Hardly living life.

I too reckon the token idea would be a good effort. But the country has far more important things to sort (Tax loopholes - Starbucks anyone?, funding India's next spaceship, catching career criminals doing 33 in a 30, etc.)
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[Ribenapigeon]

[Lord Percy]

Does it also stem into the whole 'modern world, everyone deserves absolute equality' idea?

e.g. the ideal would be that everyone is working, and those who simply cannot work to afford a good quality of life, e.g. disabled people etc, are given benefits to bring their standard of living up.

So it's all about making sure everyone gets to live the same quality of life, without the weaker members of society being left behind.

Well... that's the theory...

Now too many people are finding excuses for why they can't work either.

Also it's definitely true that the minimum wage should allow a good quality of life. Benefits should be a bit more 'basic'. Working should be the better option.

But then doesn't it go wider than that? What if the world stops trading with the UK? What if there are no resources coming into the country? So there wouldn't be anything to pay people with for working.

And then I guess the question isn't just about manufacturing, but about whether the UK could live entirely off its own steam alone, if needed..?

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[Ribenapigeon]

[G]

Ah, my apologies, I had misunderstood; we're talking about something that will result in a big push for outsourcing a lot of low wage jobs abroad or automating them.

Certainly, the 'tax the rich more' people don't really seem to comprehend quite how much those lower down are significantly supported by the taxes of others.

I would like to see a push to get people to WANT to support British business more - but unfortunately this isn't likely to be realistic - we'd have to start with admitting that the British Public is pretty selfish; who's going to do that?

[Lord Percy]

[Ribenapigeon]

[wr6133]

More manufacturing just wouldn't work without some kind of crazy protectionist tariffs to make foreign goods stupidly expensive. I for one wouldn't buy something at a higher cost just because it was made in Britain.

As to the professional benefit parasites I don't understand how they claim so much on benefits. I'm not claiming anything but am out of work from mangling myself crashing delivery bikes last year, out of curiosity I looked at what was claimable and it was under £100 a week, so how the fuck does perfectly employable chav-mc-scrotumsack clear over £1k a month?