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RhynoCZ
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Volt 220 Reply with quote

A electric powered motorcycle from Volt motorcycles, Ireland.

Top speed: 60mph (limited)
Range: 75 miles
Charging: 4-8 hours at 220v
Weight: 115kg

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Original link: https://www.motorkari.cz/clanky/moto-novinky/volt-220-od-volt-motorcycles-30775.html

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PostPosted: 18:45 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linky's in Czech, a language that isn't really my bag Wink

I think I saw two of these on sale in a dealership in Florida last month, was certainly a pair of electric bikes. Didn't look too bad, except for the very boxy section of fairing hiding batteries (I presume), where an engine would normally be, which looked a bit sterile without all the lumps and bumps that a combustion engine gives a fairing
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Volt 220 Reply with quote

Silly name to start with.
Then ... twin front big red radial calipers... for a slow 125cc speed/weight bike? Bit silly.

If it was a cheap 'get around' bike, fair enough, but it looks far to expensive for a slow bike.

Be much more interesting to me if they'd had those specs and gone utilitarian - thinner tyres, basic suspension and some cargo capacity.

I still reckon a beefed up mountain bike makes more sense then a motorbike for a 'get around' electric vehicle.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power output?

Price?

It at least has a fairing.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
Linky's in Czech, a language that isn't really my bag Wink


As always, I give you all the interesting information, that I can get from the Czech motorcycle site. I only put the Original link there, because I always mention the sources of the information I present to you. Thumbs Up

@stinkwheel, they do not talk about power output nor the price.

5 seconds of googling - https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volt-motorcycles-to-introduce-all-new-electric-volt-220-sport-bike-92751.html
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power, no idea. I'd be surprised if they're not A1 friendly, which means up to 11kW continuous power, but potentially a higher peak power because mumble Brussels something Whitehall gabble can't actually see that in the regs.

Cost is reportedly (from a comment in the VD article) going to be equivalent to an NX750X, i.e. £6300 or equivalent in Irish Quatloos.

Both subject to wild speculation and change, because they're clearly being sold by silly fellows. I'm finding it hard to imagine a more generic, over-used name that will make it hard to build any kind of distinctive brand or marque loyalty.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a lot of use in Ireland where the supply voltage varies a fair bit between 240 -250 volts, also the insurance in Ireland would be prohibitive for such a machine plus the road tax.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 03 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We hates that too !
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much info on the website (never a good sign). Battery is a paltry 4.3kW from what I can calculate (72v @ 60ah), so the "claimed" 70 miles range will only be at a dawdle. Realistically I reckon this bike will really struggle to hit 35 miles range (my best guess from experience is at top speed you'll more likely get 20 miles on a charge).

Power is not listed on the site, so gawd knows, probably not that great.

Looking at the pictures I can clearly tell its a hub driven bike, which never bode well, not least as it adds a lot of unsprung weight. Though at a max of 60mph, I doubt it matters much. Also at 72v I doubt it would struggle to get much over 70mph anyway.

I'm not impressed, basically it had better be cheap...
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

as ever, I'm interested but price is an issue

getting increasingly interested in trials/trail electric bikes

I loved the look of that electric scooter 50s retro style, but again... price Thumbs Down

one day though, I'm sure I will buy electric
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:


one day though, I'm sure I will buy electric


Hopefully I won't suffer that indignity... Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:07 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
thx1138 wrote:


one day though, I'm sure I will buy electric


Hopefully I won't suffer that indignity... Laughing


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5rkw4SeP4

(Ok its converted to Petrol... :p )
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a trail bike, a KTM 150sx is listed at only 4.4kg heavier than that. A 125EXC (or 200EXC without the electric start) at 8kg heavier.
I'd take those for trail and consider a seperate trials bike (yep, I practice what I preach Razz ).

For electric, I think it makes great sense in adding a bit of power to mountain bikes.
I don't think it makes sense in replacing ICEs in bigger dirt bikes, unless you specifically need to be quiet. You don't get any significant advantage, while you get quite a lot of disadvantages.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 11 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usual killer problems, 125 type package at 600cc prices, and the range is still inadequate. Still, best of the bunch so far.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codezombie wrote:
4.3kW from what I can calculate (72v @ 60ah), so the "claimed" 70 miles range will only be at a dawdle. Realistically I reckon this bike will really struggle to hit 35 miles range (my best guess from experience is at top speed you'll more likely get 20 miles on a charge).

Bingo.

60mph ~= 10kW = 25.8 minutes = 25.8 miles.

30mph ~= 2.5kW = 103 minutes = 51.6 miles.

Thing is, that's still enough for my commute, and the leccy bike would make up the money on even a 100mpg £1K Chinese 125 in 10,000 miles.

If it lasted that long, and there's the rub.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently asking £1k or offers. Insurance cost them £90pa.
https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/warrah1/DSC_1127.jpg
30mph or a little more in this form.

Also has some bigger batteries for more range for sale for £300 - would probably be well over 35 mile range with those too, though I haven't thought about calculations.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always going to be a range thing.

I just cannot see the point of something with a 20 mile range.

Put it this way, I'm sure at least 50% of us on this forum have run out of fuel at sometime or other. Well you are going to do it on this at sometime if you buy it. Then it's the AA (if that is classed as a breakdown) or a van to get it to a charging point, no walking to the petrol station with a can.

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PostPosted: 12:51 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

I just cannot see the point of something with a 20 mile range.

Would have been perfect for my 6.2 mile commute (my longest regular one). Also for my 0.5-2 mile commutes.
Ideally, be able to recharge at work too. Still leaves some space to pop into town at lunch too.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why isn't there a list of all current electric motorcycles and... oh...

https://www.atob.org.uk/electric-motorbikes-scooters/electric-motorbike-scooter-price-guide-uk/

No longer sold... no longer sold... sad times.

Claiming 55 or 60mph from a 4kW motor looks somewhat optimistic.

So, what's actually available at the moment?

G's electrically assisted pedal bikes.

SEV eTRICKS Evolution, which looks like a pedal bike without peddles, with no lights or indicators or pretty much anything that you'd need to road register it in the UK.

Juicy Bike Retro Li, 1.9kWh, £2450.

Govecs Go!, 3kWh, apparently £6,240 but I can't figure out how I'd buy one.

KTM Freeride, 2.6kWh, £10,300

BMW C Evolution, 8.0kWh, £13,500

Agility Saietta R, 9.6kWh, £16,770. Made in London, 1 year warranty, so tempting. Rolling Eyes

Nothing with performance + price that remotely tempts me.

Yamaha's gone very quiet about their PES1 / PED1.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
It's always going to be a range thing.

I just cannot see the point of something with a 20 mile range.

Put it this way, I'm sure at least 50% of us on this forum have run out of fuel at sometime or other. Well you are going to do it on this at sometime if you buy it. Then it's the AA (if that is classed as a breakdown) or a van to get it to a charging point, no walking to the petrol station with a can.

I'll remain a dinosaur and stick with IC thanks Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 14:38 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

SEV eTRICKS Evolution, which looks like a pedal bike without peddles, with no lights or indicators or pretty much anything that you'd need to road register it in the UK.

Quite like the look of that. Sensible power for beefy push bike components. Could easily add more batteries if you wanted.
Would have to MSVA it for road use, of course.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 12 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orennayar wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
It's always going to be a range thing.

I just cannot see the point of something with a 20 mile range.

Put it this way, I'm sure at least 50% of us on this forum have run out of fuel at sometime or other. Well you are going to do it on this at sometime if you buy it. Then it's the AA (if that is classed as a breakdown) or a van to get it to a charging point, no walking to the petrol station with a can.

I'll remain a dinosaur and stick with IC thanks Thumbs Up

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Laughing In your dreams. How long would it take to hand crank charge it?
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Zero S & SRs are about the only electric bikes remotely worth buying at the moment, and they are NOT cheap. You can (technically) get them in the UK, but you'll have to go to Jersey to one at the moment. Wink

I rate my Zero as an excellent commuting bike, one of the best I've had for that. Still there is no getting round that its early days for electric bikes, and producing toys like the Volt 220 are not the way forwards in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Laughing In your dreams. How long would it take to hand crank charge it?


Tell you what, get one, pop round my house and we'll see how long it takes you to charge my bike... I'll get the kettle on. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Laughing In your dreams. How long would it take to hand crank charge it?

we could calculate it if they gave their battery specifications but my guess is somethint around 2 weeks of full time cranking Mr. Green
also I wonder what happens when those batteries take a hit in a crash https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-xPHopebiE
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